No one's forcing you to Ed. But I'm guessing you're helping around here because you love what you do, not because you want to help "your people" alone. One can't learn a lot from equals, and one certainly can't learn a lot from those who are (for the lack of a more sensitive phrase) below them. Sure, if this community doesn't want to help, that means workload mounts for IBM in the form of a trillion more service requests lol. But those who are here to learn will find a way.
- Vignesh Mainframe Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 1:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad! On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote: > Some thoughts from someone on the other side. > > What's the point of saying "Oh, I'm an outsourced nobody." in a post > where one is asking for help. So you may choose to not answer or sit > on your high horse and ridicule their incompetence when they're > struggling? > If you guys (actual mainframe folk with decades of background) are > going to compare outsourced folk vs yourselves, you're doing it wrong. > Most of your outsourced folk are younger than the total experience you > may have. Of course they're going to be inferior. > Do you call a baby rubbish because it can't write a sonnet? Yes, the > baby has no business writing sonnets but welcome to the world of > outsourcing. > > When deciding to outsource, your employer has chosen money over the > people who have served him/her for a long time. > Don't take out your anger and disgust on people who are struggling to > better themselves because they have massive shoes to fill. > It's not his/her action that has led to you being laid off and being > forced to accept ridiculous things (train or you don't get your 401k > or whatever) in your last hours (on the job). > > That said, here's some actual feedback which may not be possible to > implement at all though: > 1. Exercise as many choices as you must to ensure you do not suffer. > Try as hard as you can to not accept people who can't speak basic > English. > The big man at the outsourcer may not leave that choice to you but > trust me, this is the root of all the abscess that you're > (employer) being charged for. > "This guy can't speak, so let's make him work under some 15,000 > managers who repeat the same thing without adding value." > Oh, and BTW, these managers are paid a f*k load more than the people > working, I would assume. > > 2. Offshoring development, IMHO, is the worst thing you can do. > You want your company to work on code that's written by someone who's > knowledge is extremely limited, and someone who would keep trying to > nail everything because he has a hammer? > > 3. If you are able to pick the right (technical) people, keep the > overhead (hey, if we're "resources", what's above us ought to be > "overhead" right?) to an extreme minimum. > > Who knows, some day Watson may make the whole industry go away and one > machine may manage the other. At that point, you get to say "Ha! No > more of these 'incompetent masses'". > > - Vignesh > Mainframe Infrastructure > ----------------------SNIP-------------------------- Then why should we provide expertise for free? We all learned the hard way with no IBM-MAIN at beck and call. We developed our own word of mouth partners. You should be doing the same. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN MARKSANDSPENCER.COM ________________________________ Unless otherwise stated above: Marks and Spencer plc Registered Office: Waterside House 35 North Wharf Road London W2 1NW Registered No. 214436 in England and Wales. Telephone (020) 7935 4422 Facsimile (020) 7487 2670 www.marksandspencer.com Please note that electronic mail may be monitored. This e-mail is confidential. If you received it by mistake, please let us know and then delete it from your system; you should not copy, disclose, or distribute its contents to anyone nor act in reliance on this e-mail, as this is prohibited and may be unlawful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
