>
>
>Nitin Chandra wrote:
>
>--if i may add the fourth option
>
>where by women can accept men as they are and STILL
>come forward and make a difference rather than "be in
>the stand and comment". 
>

Well thats the standard arguement " accept us as we are ".
So one is not expected to change for the better.


men are abusive so let them be - accept them as they are
men can harass women - accept that
men can use crude and filthy language - accept that.
Men are wife / women beaters - so let them be - accept them as that

I wonder if you will take any form of filthy language thats aimed at 
your being, your sex, your caste your height or whatever. Esp if it 
comes from someone more powerful that you. Or if its been systemaic over 
the ages - centuries.

So patriarchy is okay - just as much as facism is okay. - **Really*

***Come on** - just go through the entire discussion and try and see 
whats been said.

Make an attempt to understand, to see the issues involved.

and don't bellitle the one woman who has come forward to try and make a 
difference by saying she is "standing and commenting" - she's done 
enough to raise the issues. She's got a lot more guts than many men who 
are finding it difficult to understand that they may be doing something 
wrong, or are being insensitive and crude.

>Nitin Chandra wrote:
>
>So women can crib OR make a
>difference to LUG as a whole group + Linux.
>
Who's cribbing - its a discussion and some points are being raised to 
try and make a difference to the LUG - a big difference.

>My request and invitation is for women to accept men
>as they are
>
>and step forward and play in then LUG
>field and make an enormous difference.???
>  
>
 
I thought it was some of the men who were asking why aren't there more 
women on this list. Maybe women don't need this list at all or they 
don't need to interact with the men that this list is showing up ???



May be you can make an enormous difference by understanding the issues 
that face women in  read and write educated indian society.

>Reg
>Nitin Chandra Srivastava
>
>  
>

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