>Todd... Get a grip on it... Sheesh... Sounds like you are the one with >a problem listening to other opinions.... And by the way.. If you did >send spam through our system it would immediately get referred to the >attorney generals office for prosecution. We have a zero tolerance >policy towards spamming.
open relay testing tries to hijack your MX to see if it's hijackable, not to send spam through it. >I simply pointed out the hypocracy of sending spam through someones >system to prevent spam. nothing hypocritical about testing for openn relay. open relay testing doesn't send spam, it sends test msgs. The headers are what count, not the msg body. >If one were to take that a step further and >presume spamming through somebody elses server is theft of services orbz >stole service from thousands of isp's daily, it wasn't an opt in test. neither is spam opt in. >This is a fact.. Not something debatable. Never said it was good bad or >indifferent... Just a fact. given how much abuse every mail server receives every hour of the day, trashing orbz or any other open relay testing as being part of the problem is just silly. The facts do differ totally because of the different motives of an open relay highjacking and an open relay testing. >And to add to that they KNEW their test could damage some systems... I shed no tears. The Domino patch was out last August. 1000's of mailservers receive mail headers without going into a mailloop. The server was broken. B-C's press release said they were grateful to orbz for bringing their vulnerability to their attention. >That is irresponsible. a mail admin not keeping his mail server current is irresponsible. >If they had dropped that test they would still >be viable today. If they threw in some oddball test that threw my 6.0 >imail into a loop does that mean that I now must pay to upgrade to 7.0 whether you pay or not is between you and Ipswitch. whether you run a vulnerable server is between you and yourself. >so that they can send out random unrequested tests and not lock me up >because ipswitch won't come out with any more fixes for 6.0. if you're running buggy, frozen software, that's your problem. Can't blame the bugs on open relay testing. >What they should have done when they had momentum going was to move >towards an opt-in testing model. What a weird idea. The people running OR's or either ignorant of their situation and probably have no idea what "opt in" means or what open relay testing means. They are a huge part of the problem, and would not opt-in. The other huge part of the problem is people who run OR's for profit, they also would not opt-in for OR tesing. so the "opt-in testing model" is useless. >Now their tests will be so worthless that they will be unsuable for any >public isp. there are plenty of other RBL servers. I don't miss orbz at all. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit the Knowledge Base for answers to frequently asked questions: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
