Anurag Ji, I do not know. Since we do not have other source we will have to depend on FBI. I copy a few words -
Type species : cladodes in fruits glabrous or pubescent, not ciliate; calyx pubescent, scarcely ciliate; corolla less than 1/2 inch, white (blue, lilac - Pullaiah) var. *Plumosa* : calyx densely hispid-hairy subplumose var. *nilgherrensis* (*neolgherryensis*) : you have lit. Your species had capsule slightly curved (check KEW herb K000885689), while after checking *plumosa* herb. at KEW site it appears to me *plumosa* capsules are a bit shorter and straight. I think if these details can not be ascertain we need to go to var. *plumosa*, but leave it at *H. tentaculatus* only. This does not apply to *neilgherryensis* Thank you Regards surajit On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you sir. > I still do not know what to make of the difference between the var. under > *Haplanthodes > tentaculata*. > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry, here is the FBI. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well, Anurag Ji, I missed the glandular cladode of *H. verticillaris*. >>> And also fruit size was unknown to me. Attached here the FBI entries. I >>> stressed on calyx character which was not visible in attached pictures, >>> couldn't make out length of cladode in various threads. >>> >>> Thank you very much for those differentiating characters. >>> >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Based on Gamble and Flora of Hassan District (attached), Biodiversity >>>> in India >>>> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=M0ucOe89GZMC&pg=PA592&lpg=PA592&dq=HAPLANTHUS+TENTACULATUS&source=bl&ots=cVvc3YFcOk&sig=307E8rMNGbFkyktAJ3S34098hRc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BnktVefgJ5WmuQSci4DACA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=HAPLANTHUS%20TENTACULATUS&f=false> >>>> and JCB >>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg> >>>> : >>>> >>>> *CHARACTER* >>>> >>>> *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees >>>> >>>> *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>> >>>> *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight >>>> >>>> *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar >>>> >>>> (this column can include the varieties coming under *Haplanthodes >>>> tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus *group) >>>> >>>> *INFLORESCENCE* >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> TERMINAL >>>> >>>> *CLADODE* >>>> >>>> .75-1.25 INCH >>>> >>>> ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH >>>> >>>> VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR >>>> >>>> .5 INCH >>>> >>>> ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH >>>> >>>> VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR) >>>> >>>> *CAPSULE* >>>> >>>> .4 INCH >>>> >>>> GLABROUS >>>> >>>> .2 INCH >>>> >>>> PUBESCENT >>>> >>>> *SEEDS* >>>> >>>> 6-16 >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> In the above cases, whether we: >>>> >>>> 1) consider the varieties under *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* (L.) Nees >>>> or, >>>> 2) think of them as coming under a Haplanthus tentaculatus group; >>>> >>>> -the clear difference between *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) >>>> R.B.Majumdar and the other species (singular/plural) is- *cladodes >>>> densely pubescent* *AND* *glandular hairy* in *Haplanthodes >>>> verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar while the other is *ONLY *densely >>>> pubescent. >>>> >>>> If this is agreeable, then may be we finally have a definite idea of >>>> what is and isn't *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>> based on the cladode being glandular hairy? >>>> >>>> Please correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes for both of your questions, I think Anurag Ji. >>>>> >>>>> q1 = ref. >>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg >>>>> q2 = I used the term "*H. tentaculatus* group", for the type species >>>>> as well as var. *nilgherrensis* and var. *plumosa*. >>>>> >>>>> *Haplanthodes* is synonymous with *Haplanthus* and also with >>>>> *Berekampia* in our cases. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and also, as a continuation of 2) =*Haplanthus tentaculatus* group? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe I may have a resolving idea to put forth but first I would >>>>>>> like to know if: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees = *Haplanthodes verticillatus* >>>>>>> (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>> 2) *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight = *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* >>>>>>> (Wight) R.B.Majumdar? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I asked if any member can access the paper >>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046. What I come to know >>>>>>>> is that *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* (L.) Nees is further divided >>>>>>>> in to var. *nilgherryensis >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-nilgherrensis>* >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> var. plumosa >>>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/history/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000885684>, >>>>>>>> besides type species. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, I do not have literature, be it century old, on South Indian >>>>>>>> flora. I have never seen one physical species, never before even in >>>>>>>> images. The >>>>>>>> first time I saw/noticed it in Anurag Ji's thread >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/D5V4vxlW5nc/5q0B7fF9oQ0J> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Second, it appears to me that various uploads of *Haplanthodes*, >>>>>>>> in eFI, are very confusing. >>>>>>>> Third, internet doesn't feature any photograph of related species >>>>>>>> other than those of Dinesh Ji, Prashant Ji and one or two of others. >>>>>>>> Fourth, I do not even know how to differentiate *H. verticillatus* from >>>>>>>> *H. tentaculatus*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji threw some light - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/NbKZ2cRILsc/znbfFPnQ7iAJ >>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/tAcJAwm8ZEEJ >>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/d6pQ0ry1jP0/wfhnGOsjAWEJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FBI recorded, corolla in *H. verticillatus* (*verticillaris*) is >>>>>>>> pale lilac; against dark lilac in >>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=151&cat=1 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> "brilliant blue" in Dinesh Ji's KEY in link1 above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prashant Ji has both white & blue colour *H. nilgherryensis*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, it is quite impossible for me to decipher the id of this >>>>>>>> species. More so, because except the flowering spikes no detail on >>>>>>>> sepals, >>>>>>>> sizes of corolla and calyx etc are available. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If this belongs to *H. tantaculatus* group it is unlikely to be >>>>>>>> var. *plumosa*, because of the following herbarium - >>>>>>>> Herb. of *Ruellia tentaculata* - http://linnean-online.org/6882/ >>>>>>>> possibly type species - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885683 >>>>>>>> var. *nilgherrensis* - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885689 >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885688 >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885687 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> var. *plumosa* - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885684 >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885685 >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885686 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think var. *plumosa* doesn't have dense spike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anybody have access to >>>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> efi page on Haplanthodes plumosa >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-plumosa> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes> >>>>>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever >>>>>>>>>> available) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Prashant Awale <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 March 2015 at 14:03 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:218868] Acanthaceae Fortnight >>>>>>>>>> ::Haplanthodes sp? :: Ganapatipule:: PKA-MAR29/29: : >>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>>>>> Came across this Haplanthodes sp. at Jaigad fort near >>>>>>>>>> Ganapatipule. Could this be Haplanthodes plumosa?. Kindly validate >>>>>>>>>> the ID. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Botanical name:* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes sp. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Family:* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Acanthaceae >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Date/Time-* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 29-03-2010 /11:40 AM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jaigad Fort near Ganapatipule- Ratnagiri >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wild >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Herb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Height/Length- * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 30 to 50 cm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Opposite, 3 to 5 cm, Some leaves were acuminate and some were >>>>>>>>>> with somewhat rounded apex , hairy, leaf base extending down to >>>>>>>>>> petiole, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence Type/ Size- * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Photograph enclosed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Flowers sessile, corolla approx. 8 to 12mm, purple (Photograph >>>>>>>>>> enclosed) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not known >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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