Well sir, in one Flora that I saw, it said cladodes in H. verticillatus generally 2 toothed, rarely 3. I cannot find it right now. Will attach when I do.
Thank you. On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Anurag Ji, > > I copy here the KEY, based on various lit, you have provided - > > *CHARACTER* > > *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees > > *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar > > *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight > > *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar > > (this column can include the varieties coming under*Haplanthodes > tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus*group) > > *INFLORESCENCE* > > ? > > TERMINAL > > *CLADODE* > > .75-1.25 INCH > > ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH > > VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR > > .5 INCH > > ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH > > VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR) > > *CAPSULE* > > .4 INCH > > GLABROUS > > .2 INCH > > PUBESCENT > > *SEEDS* > > 6-16 > > ? > > > Please check the thread > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/x1u7YD85F60J. > To me cladodes seem to be gladular, yet number of teeth is two in some & > three in others. What do you think? > > Regards > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Anurag Ji, >> >> I do not know. Since we do not have other source we will have to depend >> on FBI. I copy a few words - >> >> Type species : cladodes in fruits glabrous or pubescent, not ciliate; >> calyx pubescent, scarcely ciliate; corolla less than 1/2 inch, white (blue, >> lilac - Pullaiah) >> var. *Plumosa* : calyx densely hispid-hairy subplumose >> var. *nilgherrensis* (*neolgherryensis*) : you have lit. >> >> Your species had capsule slightly curved (check KEW herb K000885689), >> while after checking *plumosa* herb. at KEW site it appears to me >> *plumosa* capsules are a bit shorter and straight. >> >> I think if these details can not be ascertain we need to go to var. >> *plumosa*, but leave it at *H. tentaculatus* only. This does not apply >> to *neilgherryensis* >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you sir. >>> I still do not know what to make of the difference between the var. >>> under *Haplanthodes tentaculata*. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, here is the FBI. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, Anurag Ji, I missed the glandular cladode of *H. verticillaris*. >>>>> And also fruit size was unknown to me. Attached here the FBI entries. I >>>>> stressed on calyx character which was not visible in attached pictures, >>>>> couldn't make out length of cladode in various threads. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much for those differentiating characters. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Based on Gamble and Flora of Hassan District (attached), Biodiversity >>>>>> in India >>>>>> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=M0ucOe89GZMC&pg=PA592&lpg=PA592&dq=HAPLANTHUS+TENTACULATUS&source=bl&ots=cVvc3YFcOk&sig=307E8rMNGbFkyktAJ3S34098hRc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BnktVefgJ5WmuQSci4DACA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=HAPLANTHUS%20TENTACULATUS&f=false> >>>>>> and JCB >>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg> >>>>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>> *CHARACTER* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees >>>>>> >>>>>> *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>> >>>>>> *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight >>>>>> >>>>>> *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>> >>>>>> (this column can include the varieties coming under *Haplanthodes >>>>>> tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus *group) >>>>>> >>>>>> *INFLORESCENCE* >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> TERMINAL >>>>>> >>>>>> *CLADODE* >>>>>> >>>>>> .75-1.25 INCH >>>>>> >>>>>> ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH >>>>>> >>>>>> VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR >>>>>> >>>>>> .5 INCH >>>>>> >>>>>> ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH >>>>>> >>>>>> VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR) >>>>>> >>>>>> *CAPSULE* >>>>>> >>>>>> .4 INCH >>>>>> >>>>>> GLABROUS >>>>>> >>>>>> .2 INCH >>>>>> >>>>>> PUBESCENT >>>>>> >>>>>> *SEEDS* >>>>>> >>>>>> 6-16 >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> >>>>>> In the above cases, whether we: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) consider the varieties under *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* (L.) >>>>>> Nees or, >>>>>> 2) think of them as coming under a Haplanthus tentaculatus group; >>>>>> >>>>>> -the clear difference between *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) >>>>>> R.B.Majumdar and the other species (singular/plural) is- *cladodes >>>>>> densely pubescent* *AND* *glandular hairy* in *Haplanthodes >>>>>> verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar while the other is *ONLY *densely >>>>>> pubescent. >>>>>> >>>>>> If this is agreeable, then may be we finally have a definite idea of >>>>>> what is and isn't *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>> based on the cladode being glandular hairy? >>>>>> >>>>>> Please correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes for both of your questions, I think Anurag Ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> q1 = ref. >>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg >>>>>>> q2 = I used the term "*H. tentaculatus* group", for the type >>>>>>> species as well as var. *nilgherrensis* and var. *plumosa*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Haplanthodes* is synonymous with *Haplanthus* and also with >>>>>>> *Berekampia* in our cases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and also, as a continuation of 2) =*Haplanthus tentaculatus* group? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe I may have a resolving idea to put forth but first I >>>>>>>>> would like to know if: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees = *Haplanthodes verticillatus* >>>>>>>>> (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>> 2) *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight = *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>> nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I asked if any member can access the paper >>>>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046. What I come to >>>>>>>>>> know is that *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* (L.) Nees is further >>>>>>>>>> divided in to var. *nilgherryensis >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-nilgherrensis>* >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> var. plumosa >>>>>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/history/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000885684>, >>>>>>>>>> besides type species. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> First, I do not have literature, be it century old, on South >>>>>>>>>> Indian flora. I have never seen one physical species, never before >>>>>>>>>> even in >>>>>>>>>> images. The first time I saw/noticed it in Anurag Ji's thread >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/D5V4vxlW5nc/5q0B7fF9oQ0J> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> Second, it appears to me that various uploads of *Haplanthodes*, >>>>>>>>>> in eFI, are very confusing. >>>>>>>>>> Third, internet doesn't feature any photograph of related species >>>>>>>>>> other than those of Dinesh Ji, Prashant Ji and one or two of others. >>>>>>>>>> Fourth, I do not even know how to differentiate *H. >>>>>>>>>> verticillatus* from *H. tentaculatus*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji threw some light - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/NbKZ2cRILsc/znbfFPnQ7iAJ >>>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/tAcJAwm8ZEEJ >>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/d6pQ0ry1jP0/wfhnGOsjAWEJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> FBI recorded, corolla in *H. verticillatus* (*verticillaris*) is >>>>>>>>>> pale lilac; against dark lilac in >>>>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=151&cat=1 >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> "brilliant blue" in Dinesh Ji's KEY in link1 above. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Prashant Ji has both white & blue colour *H. nilgherryensis*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, it is quite impossible for me to decipher the id of this >>>>>>>>>> species. More so, because except the flowering spikes no detail on >>>>>>>>>> sepals, >>>>>>>>>> sizes of corolla and calyx etc are available. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If this belongs to *H. tantaculatus* group it is unlikely to be >>>>>>>>>> var. *plumosa*, because of the following herbarium - >>>>>>>>>> Herb. of *Ruellia tentaculata* - http://linnean-online.org/6882/ >>>>>>>>>> possibly type species - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885683 >>>>>>>>>> var. *nilgherrensis* - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885689 >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885688 >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885687 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> var. *plumosa* - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885684 >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885685 >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885686 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think var. *plumosa* doesn't have dense spike. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does anybody have access to >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>> efi page on Haplanthodes plumosa >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-plumosa> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes> >>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published >>>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where >>>>>>>>>>>> ever >>>>>>>>>>>> available) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prashant Awale <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 March 2015 at 14:03 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:218868] Acanthaceae Fortnight >>>>>>>>>>>> ::Haplanthodes sp? :: Ganapatipule:: PKA-MAR29/29: : >>>>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>>>>>>> Came across this Haplanthodes sp. at Jaigad fort near >>>>>>>>>>>> Ganapatipule. Could this be Haplanthodes plumosa?. Kindly validate >>>>>>>>>>>> the ID. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Botanical name:* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes sp. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Family:* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Acanthaceae >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Date/Time-* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 29-03-2010 /11:40 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jaigad Fort near Ganapatipule- Ratnagiri >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wild >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Herb >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Height/Length- * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 30 to 50 cm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opposite, 3 to 5 cm, Some leaves were acuminate and some were >>>>>>>>>>>> with somewhat rounded apex , hairy, leaf base extending down >>>>>>>>>>>> to petiole, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence Type/ Size- * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Photograph enclosed >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Flowers sessile, corolla approx. 8 to 12mm, purple (Photograph >>>>>>>>>>>> enclosed) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not known >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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