No sir, I am afraid without a clear view of the capsules, I wouldn't know where to start. But in this thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/D5V4vxlW5nc/5q0B7fF9oQ0J>, would you say that the capsule is pubescent or glabrous?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:03 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Anurag Ji for the KEY to four species. But, does it help us to > identify the species we/I have discussed so far in the following three > threads? - > > 1. > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/q8x3X5TrbrY/9LAisyYhIHwJ > (this > very thread) > 2. > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/D5V4vxlW5nc/5q0B7fF9oQ0J > 3. > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/By2tCca-aOs/niDaDdPIZU8J > > Would you please identify the above threads again? > > Regards > > surajit > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Good evening sir. While going through the various flora in my college >> taxonomy lab, I found this in the Flora of Nasik District (P. >> Lakshminarasimhan and B.D Sharma). All four species have been keyed out: >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much sir- for the discussion and the summary! >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:37 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Anurag Ji, following is the synopsis (based on very limited >>>> resource we have discussed and pasted links) - >>>> >>>> *cladode length :-* >>>> *verticillaris* (*verticillatus* ) = 19 mm to 30 mm >>>> *tentaculatus* (incl. var.) = 06 mm to 20 mm >>>> >>>> *glandular hairs on cladodes :* >>>> *verticillaris* (*verticillatus* ) = present >>>> *tentaculatus* (incl. var.) = absent (in all var.?) >>>> >>>> *calyx :* >>>> *verticillaris* (*verticillatus* ) = 2 mm long, glabrous or pubescent >>>> *tentaculatus* = >>>> >>>> - (around 4 to 5 mm long, pubescent or scarcely ciliate in var. >>>> *tentaculatus* >>>> - long (? should be more or less equal to above) and pilose in >>>> *neilgherryensis* (note : spike is congested than var. >>>> *tentaculatus*) >>>> - should be equal length to above and plumose in var. *plumosa* >>>> >>>> (please note KEW has herb. featuring intermediate form of var. >>>> *tentaculatus* and var. *neilgherryensis* >>>> >>>> *colour of corolla :-* >>>> uncertain to me in all species and var. >>>> >>>> Capsule size also uncertain (ref. JCB & Pullaiah); number of seeds not >>>> known to me; seed of *tentaculatus* is smaller than *verticillaris* (ref. >>>> FBI) >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a request sir. >>>>> Could you please summarize our entire discussion so as to be referred >>>>> to in the future when another post of Haplanthodes sp. comes up? This >>>>> would >>>>> be quite helpful for me as well. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:29 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> btw, Calyx of *H. verticillaris* is 1 line (1 line = 2.1 mm). >>>>>> corolla 6 line long (note the calyx to corolla ratio); calyx glabrous or >>>>>> nearly so (ref. >>>>>> http://www.herbier-mpu.org/zoomify/zoomify.php?fichier=MPU018249). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 8:13 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Our concern is with only two species of FBI, Anurag Ji, *Haplanthus >>>>>>> verticillaris* and *H. tentaculatus*. The later includes var. >>>>>>> *nilgherrensis* and var. *plumosa*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since I have no field experience on this particular genus I depend >>>>>>> on DInesh Ji's experience - of *H. neilgherryensis* - >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/NbKZ2cRILsc/znbfFPnQ7iAJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have collected info from various threads, examined online >>>>>>> herbarium, read old lit. and cooked my own recipe. I do not claim my >>>>>>> dish >>>>>>> is healthy and nutritious! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks sir. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One question- are the pseudowhorls forming further branches not >>>>>>>> seen ANY of the other threads on the group? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:56 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees can have 3 teeth sometimes >>>>>>>>> then number of teeth won't be a KEY to id species. Attached here what >>>>>>>>> Wight >>>>>>>>> recorded about cladode teeth in *H. nilgherrensis*. Please note >>>>>>>>> what Wight referred to "bract" may be he meant cladode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After going through all uploads of *Haplanthus*/*Haplanthodes* I >>>>>>>>> think - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - length cladode is vital (ref. FBI and "note" in >>>>>>>>> http://linnean-online.org/6882/) >>>>>>>>> - I am not sure if presence/absence of glandular hair can be a >>>>>>>>> KEY >>>>>>>>> - In *H. neilgherryensis* flowers in pseudo-whorls taking a >>>>>>>>> form of terminal spike; cladodes and sepals with white hairs (ref. >>>>>>>>> FBI) >>>>>>>>> - In var. *plumosa* pseudo-whorls are relatively wide spaced; >>>>>>>>> sepals are hairy subplumose >>>>>>>>> - In *H. tentacularis* cladodes are smaller than *H. >>>>>>>>> verticillaris* and not ciliate (ref. FBI and Linnean site) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, I think I have found *H. t.* var. *plumosa*! Here it is >>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/By2tCca-aOs/niDaDdPIZU8J. >>>>>>>>> Check the two photographs in highest resolution, you will see plumose >>>>>>>>> sepals clearly. Besides, each pseudo-whorl in that plant gives rise to >>>>>>>>> sub-branches which do again form flowering pseudowhorl of cladodes >>>>>>>>> (Dinesh >>>>>>>>> Ji pointed out this character in a thread). Please also compare those >>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>> pics with another upload(s) by Neil Sir - >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/CCj373r5vGw/GrD_qNzUKkEJ >>>>>>>>> Note >>>>>>>>> the darker pattern in corolla lobes in both the thread >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well sir, in one Flora that I saw, it said cladodes in H. >>>>>>>>>> verticillatus generally 2 toothed, rarely 3. I cannot find it right >>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> Will attach when I do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:25 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I copy here the KEY, based on various lit, you have provided - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *CHARACTER* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (this column can include the varieties coming under*Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>> tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus*group) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *INFLORESCENCE* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TERMINAL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *CLADODE* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> .75-1.25 INCH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> .5 INCH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *CAPSULE* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> .4 INCH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> GLABROUS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> .2 INCH >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PUBESCENT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *SEEDS* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 6-16 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please check the thread >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/x1u7YD85F60J. >>>>>>>>>>> To me cladodes seem to be gladular, yet number of teeth is two in >>>>>>>>>>> some & >>>>>>>>>>> three in others. What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know. Since we do not have other source we will have >>>>>>>>>>>> to depend on FBI. I copy a few words - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Type species : cladodes in fruits glabrous or pubescent, not >>>>>>>>>>>> ciliate; calyx pubescent, scarcely ciliate; corolla less than 1/2 >>>>>>>>>>>> inch, >>>>>>>>>>>> white (blue, lilac - Pullaiah) >>>>>>>>>>>> var. *Plumosa* : calyx densely hispid-hairy subplumose >>>>>>>>>>>> var. *nilgherrensis* (*neolgherryensis*) : you have lit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your species had capsule slightly curved (check KEW herb >>>>>>>>>>>> K000885689), while after checking *plumosa* herb. at KEW site >>>>>>>>>>>> it appears to me *plumosa* capsules are a bit shorter and >>>>>>>>>>>> straight. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think if these details can not be ascertain we need to go to >>>>>>>>>>>> var. *plumosa*, but leave it at *H. tentaculatus* only. This >>>>>>>>>>>> does not apply to *neilgherryensis* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I still do not know what to make of the difference between the >>>>>>>>>>>>> var. under *Haplanthodes tentaculata*. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:16 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, here is the FBI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:14 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Anurag Ji, I missed the glandular cladode of *H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticillaris*. And also fruit size was unknown to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached here the FBI entries. I stressed on calyx character >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which was not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible in attached pictures, couldn't make out length of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cladode in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various threads. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for those differentiating characters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on Gamble and Flora of Hassan District (attached), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biodiversity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in India >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://books.google.co.in/books?id=M0ucOe89GZMC&pg=PA592&lpg=PA592&dq=HAPLANTHUS+TENTACULATUS&source=bl&ots=cVvc3YFcOk&sig=307E8rMNGbFkyktAJ3S34098hRc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BnktVefgJ5WmuQSci4DACA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=HAPLANTHUS%20TENTACULATUS&f=false> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and JCB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *CHARACTER* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (this column can include the varieties coming under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tentaculatus- Haplanthus tentaculatus *group) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *INFLORESCENCE* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TERMINAL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *CLADODE* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .75-1.25 INCH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ENDING IN 2 SPINOUS TEETH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VILLOUS AND GLANDULAR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .5 INCH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ENDING IN 2 OR MORE TEETH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VILLOUS (NOT GLANDULAR) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *CAPSULE* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .4 INCH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GLABROUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .2 INCH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PUBESCENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *SEEDS* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6-16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the above cases, whether we: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) consider the varieties under *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (L.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nees or, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) think of them as coming under a Haplanthus tentaculatus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -the clear difference between *Haplanthodes verticillatus* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar and the other species (singular/plural) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is- *cladodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> densely pubescent* *AND* *glandular hairy* in *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar while the other is *ONLY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *densely pubescent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this is agreeable, then may be we finally have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definite idea of what is and isn't *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar based on the cladode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being glandular hairy? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes for both of your questions, I think Anurag Ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> q1 = ref. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Haplanthodes%20verticillatus/page_533.pdf.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> q2 = I used the term "*H. tentaculatus* group", for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type species as well as var. *nilgherrensis* and var. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *plumosa*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes* is synonymous with *Haplanthus* and also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with *Berekampia* in our cases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also, as a continuation of 2) =*Haplanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tentaculatus* group? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Anurag Sharma < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe I may have a resolving idea to put forth but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first I would like to know if: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) *Haplanthus verticillaris* Nees = *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticillatus* (Roxb.) R.B.Majumdar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) *Haplanthus neilgherryensis *Wight = *Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nilgherrensis* (Wight) R.B.Majumdar? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:31 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I asked if any member can access the paper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046. What I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come to know is that *Haplanthodes tentaculatus* (L.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nees is further divided in to var. *nilgherryensis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-nilgherrensis>* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> var. plumosa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://plants.jstor.org/stable/history/10.5555/al.ap.specimen.k000885684>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> besides type species. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, I do not have literature, be it century old, on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> South Indian flora. I have never seen one physical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species, never before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even in images. The first time I saw/noticed it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anurag Ji's thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/D5V4vxlW5nc/5q0B7fF9oQ0J> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, it appears to me that various uploads of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Haplanthodes*, in eFI, are very confusing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Third, internet doesn't feature any photograph of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related species other than those of Dinesh Ji, Prashant Ji >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and one or two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of others. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth, I do not even know how to differentiate *H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verticillatus* from *H. tentaculatus*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh Ji threw some light - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/NbKZ2cRILsc/znbfFPnQ7iAJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/C6E9D20qujk/tAcJAwm8ZEEJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/d6pQ0ry1jP0/wfhnGOsjAWEJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FBI recorded, corolla in *H. verticillatus* ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *verticillaris*) is pale lilac; against dark lilac in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/herbsheet.php?id=151&cat=1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "brilliant blue" in Dinesh Ji's KEY in link1 above. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant Ji has both white & blue colour *H. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nilgherryensis*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, it is quite impossible for me to decipher the id of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this species. More so, because except the flowering spikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no detail on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sepals, sizes of corolla and calyx etc are available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this belongs to *H. tantaculatus* group it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely to be var. *plumosa*, because of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following herbarium - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb. of *Ruellia tentaculata* - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://linnean-online.org/6882/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly type species - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885683 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> var. *nilgherrensis* - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885689 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885688 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885687 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> var. *plumosa* - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885684 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885685 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000885686 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think var. *plumosa* doesn't have dense spike. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anybody have access to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3417/2013046? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, J.M. Garg < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efi page on Haplanthodes plumosa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes/haplanthodes-plumosa> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/acanthaceae/haplanthodes> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books etc., where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Prashant Awale <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 23 March 2015 at 14:03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:218868] Acanthaceae Fortnight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ::Haplanthodes sp? :: Ganapatipule:: PKA-MAR29/29: : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: indiantreepix <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Came across this Haplanthodes sp. at Jaigad fort near >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ganapatipule. Could this be Haplanthodes plumosa?. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindly validate the ID. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Botanical name:* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haplanthodes sp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Family:* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acanthaceae >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date/Time-* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29-03-2010 /11:40 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaigad Fort near Ganapatipule- Ratnagiri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Height/Length- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30 to 50 cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opposite, 3 to 5 cm, Some leaves were acuminate and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some were with somewhat rounded apex , hairy, leaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base extending down to petiole, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Inflorescence Type/ Size- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photograph enclosed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flowers sessile, corolla approx. 8 to 12mm, purple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Photograph enclosed) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.- * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prashant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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