Ok Sir ji in this case you are correct - It is not *Alocasia* - since its flower does not carry an appendix It is not *Steudnera* - spathe is differentiated into two zones, and spadix indicates a constricted sterile zone above the floral chamber
Now, I will check, later, if it can be *Colocasia* - colocasia can have reduced or no appendix. Thereafter I will go to *Remusatia*. life is short time is running out don't try to know everything utilize what you already know On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:26, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it flower or the leaves? > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:24, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I do not think so. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:21 pm surajit koley, < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir ji, is there any possibility of *Steudnera colocasioides *? Please >>> check the spadix at* >>> - http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html >>> <http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html>* >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:09, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, Sir ji, photographic illusions are quite possible. >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>> To me relative size of spathe, ovule and leaves appears to be OK. >>>>> Actually close up images (making them look appear large) has confused us, >>>>> into thinking this to be an Alocasia. >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:05 pm surajit koley, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am not acquainted with this genus, Sir ji. >>>>>> Yet, I do not think it can be *Remusatia hookeriana* -(1) as per >>>>>> Fl.Br.Ind., spathe max 2.5 inch, / 7 cm max.- FoC) (2) spadix max. >>>>>> 11+7+9 = >>>>>> 27 mm = 1 inch approx (check FoC). >>>>>> The spadix in this thread looks much longer, though actual size can >>>>>> only be verified by Sawmliana ji. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> life is short >>>>>> time is running out >>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as per >>>>>>> comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>> two >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>> three >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>> and GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 12:42, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to add one more point - I never came across any such >>>>>>>> phrase that "shiny leaf means *Alocasia*." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:31, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no >>>>>>>>> expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to learn >>>>>>>>> something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of *A. >>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based on >>>>>>>>> leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of *Alocasia* or >>>>>>>>> *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - flowers >>>>>>>>> are not like the ones I see here.- (a) floral chamber and spathe >>>>>>>>> appear to >>>>>>>>> be narrower and more elongated in your species, (b) spadix is >>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>> I do not know if the above characters can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the booh, >>>>>>>>> "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal, along with other >>>>>>>>> pictures (one immature flower and the other mature) of *Alocasia >>>>>>>>> fornicata flower *that I recorded. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And KEY is there in a private mail for certain spp of *Alocasia*. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:28, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per GBIF >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>> decipiens* as per GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954>. >>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins and >>>>>>>>>>> contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be seen in >>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>> specimens of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f>, >>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge>, >>>>>>>>>>> four >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148>, >>>>>>>>>>> five >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8>, >>>>>>>>>>> six >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 13:25 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:226503] MSJune,2015/06 Araceae >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road >>>>>>>>>>> Date : 24/06/2015 >>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Wild in the forests >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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