Thanks, Surajit ji. Hope you are right as per GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5330762>- specimens one <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/912416051> and two <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F193861.jpg> . Description from FBI from IBIS Flora <https://flora.indianbiodiversity.org/content/colocasia-mannii-hookf-0> is as below:
Hook. f. ; leaves oblong-ovate base sagittate lobes very obtuse sinus broad acute, spathe narrowly oblong cymbiform, spadix half as long as the spathe sub-acute, appendage 0. UPPER ASSAM ; at Makum, Mann. Leaves 8-12 by 4-7 in., nerves 6-7 pairs, not stout, basal lobes 4 in. ; petiole 1-3 ft. Peduncle rather slender. Spathe 6-7 in., tube 1 in. Spadix 1.1/2-4 in. ; male infl. 1 in. intermediate space 1/2 in. ; male 1.1/4-1.1/2, tip rounded. Anthers stellately crenate. Ovaries globose, stigma a discoid area. On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 11:17, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > This is *Colocasia mannii* Hook.f. > > "A herb ..... stolon absent ------ upper surface of leaf blade glossy > green ....... spadix 9-11 cm., .... female zone 3-3.8 cm., sterile zone > 3cm., male zone 3-4.2 cm., synandria ivory ...." > > So, is the other thread, spathe limb and male + strile + synandria decayed > showing only fruiting chamber since that was photographed in September - > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c > > Don't ask me where did I otain the data from - obviously I copied from > somewhere!!! > > Don't redirect me to Indiabiodiversity site. > > surajit koley > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 21:50, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sir ji, I fail to connect it with any *Alocasia* (no appendix in flower) >> / *Colocasia* / *Steudnera*, "Flora of China '' has to offer. >> >> I fail to connect it to any *Remusatia* as well, - *the exposed part of >> the spadix *is significantly longer than the hidden part in spathe tube. >> >> If this is the same plant as in the other thread - >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c/m/3SiL9s7uDfIJ - >> which I think it is - then I am afraid we have to think outside *Remusatia >> hookeriana*. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> life is short >> time is running out >> don't try to know everything >> utilize what you already know >> >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:04, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok Sir ji in this case you are correct - >>> It is not *Alocasia* - since its flower does not carry an appendix >>> It is not *Steudnera* - spathe is differentiated into two zones, and >>> spadix indicates a constricted sterile zone above the floral chamber >>> >>> Now, I will check, later, if it can be *Colocasia* - colocasia can have >>> reduced or no appendix. Thereafter I will go to *Remusatia*. >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:26, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Is it flower or the leaves? >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:24, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not think so. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:21 pm surajit koley, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir ji, is there any possibility of *Steudnera colocasioides *? >>>>>> Please check the spadix at* >>>>>> - http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html >>>>>> <http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html>* >>>>>> >>>>>> life is short >>>>>> time is running out >>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:09, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Sir ji, photographic illusions are quite possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>>> To me relative size of spathe, ovule and leaves appears to be OK. >>>>>>>> Actually close up images (making them look appear large) has confused >>>>>>>> us, >>>>>>>> into thinking this to be an Alocasia. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:05 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not acquainted with this genus, Sir ji. >>>>>>>>> Yet, I do not think it can be *Remusatia hookeriana* -(1) as per >>>>>>>>> Fl.Br.Ind., spathe max 2.5 inch, / 7 cm max.- FoC) (2) spadix max. >>>>>>>>> 11+7+9 = >>>>>>>>> 27 mm = 1 inch approx (check FoC). >>>>>>>>> The spadix in this thread looks much longer, though actual size >>>>>>>>> can only be verified by Sawmliana ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as per >>>>>>>>>> comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 12:42, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to add one more point - I never came across any >>>>>>>>>>> such phrase that "shiny leaf means *Alocasia*." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:31, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no >>>>>>>>>>>> expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to learn >>>>>>>>>>>> something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of >>>>>>>>>>>> *A. >>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based >>>>>>>>>>>> on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of *Alocasia* or >>>>>>>>>>>> *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - >>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not like the ones I see here.- (a) floral chamber and >>>>>>>>>>>> spathe >>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be narrower and more elongated in your species, (b) >>>>>>>>>>>> spadix is >>>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know if the above characters can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the >>>>>>>>>>>> booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal, along with >>>>>>>>>>>> other pictures (one immature flower and the other mature) of >>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata flower *that I recorded. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And KEY is there in a private mail for certain spp of >>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:28, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decipiens* as per GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> five >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> six >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 13:25 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:226503] MSJune,2015/06 Araceae >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 24/06/2015 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Wild in the forests >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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