Sawmliana ji, I am happy that your species id has been resolved. Please do not bother to send me any flower. I remember your difficulties.
I expect, in the coming days, you will offer us more and more uncommon or lesser-known species from your region. Please record as much detail of your plants as you can. Thank you Best regards surajit koley life is short time is running out don't try to know everything utilize what you already know On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 11:16, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > This is *Colocasia mannii* Hook.f. > > "A herb ..... stolon absent ------ upper surface of leaf blade glossy > green ....... spadix 9-11 cm., .... female zone 3-3.8 cm., sterile zone > 3cm., male zone 3-4.2 cm., synandria ivory ...." > > So, is the other thread, spathe limb and male + strile + synandria decayed > showing only fruiting chamber since that was photographed in September - > https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c > > Don't ask me where did I otain the data from - obviously I copied from > somewhere!!! > > Don't redirect me to Indiabiodiversity site. > > surajit koley > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 21:50, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sir ji, I fail to connect it with any *Alocasia* (no appendix in flower) >> / *Colocasia* / *Steudnera*, "Flora of China '' has to offer. >> >> I fail to connect it to any *Remusatia* as well, - *the exposed part of >> the spadix *is significantly longer than the hidden part in spathe tube. >> >> If this is the same plant as in the other thread - >> https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c/m/3SiL9s7uDfIJ - >> which I think it is - then I am afraid we have to think outside *Remusatia >> hookeriana*. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> life is short >> time is running out >> don't try to know everything >> utilize what you already know >> >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:04, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok Sir ji in this case you are correct - >>> It is not *Alocasia* - since its flower does not carry an appendix >>> It is not *Steudnera* - spathe is differentiated into two zones, and >>> spadix indicates a constricted sterile zone above the floral chamber >>> >>> Now, I will check, later, if it can be *Colocasia* - colocasia can have >>> reduced or no appendix. Thereafter I will go to *Remusatia*. >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:26, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Is it flower or the leaves? >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:24, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not think so. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:21 pm surajit koley, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir ji, is there any possibility of *Steudnera colocasioides *? >>>>>> Please check the spadix at* >>>>>> - http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html >>>>>> <http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html>* >>>>>> >>>>>> life is short >>>>>> time is running out >>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:09, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Sir ji, photographic illusions are quite possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>>> To me relative size of spathe, ovule and leaves appears to be OK. >>>>>>>> Actually close up images (making them look appear large) has confused >>>>>>>> us, >>>>>>>> into thinking this to be an Alocasia. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:05 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am not acquainted with this genus, Sir ji. >>>>>>>>> Yet, I do not think it can be *Remusatia hookeriana* -(1) as per >>>>>>>>> Fl.Br.Ind., spathe max 2.5 inch, / 7 cm max.- FoC) (2) spadix max. >>>>>>>>> 11+7+9 = >>>>>>>>> 27 mm = 1 inch approx (check FoC). >>>>>>>>> The spadix in this thread looks much longer, though actual size >>>>>>>>> can only be verified by Sawmliana ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as per >>>>>>>>>> comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 12:42, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to add one more point - I never came across any >>>>>>>>>>> such phrase that "shiny leaf means *Alocasia*." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:31, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no >>>>>>>>>>>> expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to learn >>>>>>>>>>>> something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of >>>>>>>>>>>> *A. >>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based >>>>>>>>>>>> on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of *Alocasia* or >>>>>>>>>>>> *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - >>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not like the ones I see here.- (a) floral chamber and >>>>>>>>>>>> spathe >>>>>>>>>>>> appear to be narrower and more elongated in your species, (b) >>>>>>>>>>>> spadix is >>>>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know if the above characters can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the >>>>>>>>>>>> booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal, along with >>>>>>>>>>>> other pictures (one immature flower and the other mature) of >>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata flower *that I recorded. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And KEY is there in a private mail for certain spp of >>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:28, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decipiens* as per GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> five >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> six >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 13:25 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:226503] MSJune,2015/06 Araceae >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 24/06/2015 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Wild in the forests >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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