Sir ji, I fail to connect it with any *Alocasia* (no appendix in flower) / *Colocasia* / *Steudnera*, "Flora of China '' has to offer.
I fail to connect it to any *Remusatia* as well, - *the exposed part of the spadix *is significantly longer than the hidden part in spathe tube. If this is the same plant as in the other thread - https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/e5eE6YgOC_c/m/3SiL9s7uDfIJ - which I think it is - then I am afraid we have to think outside *Remusatia hookeriana*. Thank you Regards surajit life is short time is running out don't try to know everything utilize what you already know On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:04, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok Sir ji in this case you are correct - > It is not *Alocasia* - since its flower does not carry an appendix > It is not *Steudnera* - spathe is differentiated into two zones, and > spadix indicates a constricted sterile zone above the floral chamber > > Now, I will check, later, if it can be *Colocasia* - colocasia can have > reduced or no appendix. Thereafter I will go to *Remusatia*. > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:26, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Is it flower or the leaves? >> >> life is short >> time is running out >> don't try to know everything >> utilize what you already know >> >> >> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:24, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I do not think so. >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J. M. Garg >>> >>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:21 pm surajit koley, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir ji, is there any possibility of *Steudnera colocasioides *? Please >>>> check the spadix at* >>>> - http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html >>>> <http://www.aroidpictures.fr/GENERA/STEUDNERA/steudcolocasioides.html>* >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 22:09, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Sir ji, photographic illusions are quite possible. >>>>> >>>>> life is short >>>>> time is running out >>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>> To me relative size of spathe, ovule and leaves appears to be OK. >>>>>> Actually close up images (making them look appear large) has confused us, >>>>>> into thinking this to be an Alocasia. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:05 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not acquainted with this genus, Sir ji. >>>>>>> Yet, I do not think it can be *Remusatia hookeriana* -(1) as per >>>>>>> Fl.Br.Ind., spathe max 2.5 inch, / 7 cm max.- FoC) (2) spadix max. >>>>>>> 11+7+9 = >>>>>>> 27 mm = 1 inch approx (check FoC). >>>>>>> The spadix in this thread looks much longer, though actual size can >>>>>>> only be verified by Sawmliana ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as per >>>>>>>> comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 12:42, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would like to add one more point - I never came across any such >>>>>>>>> phrase that "shiny leaf means *Alocasia*." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:31, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no >>>>>>>>>> expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to learn >>>>>>>>>> something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of *A. >>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based on >>>>>>>>>> leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of *Alocasia* or >>>>>>>>>> *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - flowers >>>>>>>>>> are not like the ones I see here.- (a) floral chamber and spathe >>>>>>>>>> appear to >>>>>>>>>> be narrower and more elongated in your species, (b) spadix is >>>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>>> I do not know if the above characters can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the booh, >>>>>>>>>> "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal, along with >>>>>>>>>> other pictures (one immature flower and the other mature) of >>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>> fornicata flower *that I recorded. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And KEY is there in a private mail for certain spp of *Alocasia*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:28, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or *Alocasia >>>>>>>>>>>> decipiens* as per GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954>. >>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins and >>>>>>>>>>>> contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be seen in >>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>> specimens of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f>, >>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge>, >>>>>>>>>>>> four >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148>, >>>>>>>>>>>> five >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8>, >>>>>>>>>>>> six >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 at 13:25 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:226503] MSJune,2015/06 Araceae >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Buarpui - W.Bungtlang road >>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 24/06/2015 >>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat : Wild in the forests >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAMV_mc2eEygEWpjmCV4a7dq8YC%2BMFe%3DPN%2B%2BOZtesnqQquoiLew%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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