Thanks a lot, Surajit ji. I have written to Peter ji. Hope he also gives some feedback in the matter. -- With regards, J. M. Garg
On Thu, 20 May, 2021, 8:09 pm surajit koley, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, Sir ji, I agree with you! > > *Alocasia* and *Colocasia* are rejected, because, so far we have seen all > flowers of those two genera carry spathe with two conspicuously visible > zones and spadix markedly longer than spathe tube > > *Steudnera* also rejected, because (1) genus features medium to robust > members (2) petiole sheath very short [disagree with pic DSCN1835] (3) > apical part of the spathe marcescent ....... (all terms copied from FoC !!!) > > Two points I am not happy with are (1) floral chamber seems longer than > those illustrations in FoC or those herb. you referred (2) leave in these > photographs are not "long acuminate at apex (apices)". ----- of course > these are minor problems. > > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:22, surajit koley <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In this case, particularly in pic no. DSCN1835, I do not see any spathe >> limb + spadix. >> If the highlighted part of the attached pic indicates part of "erect >> aerial stolon", it is likely to be *Remusatia.* >> So much for now.... >> >> >> >> life is short >> time is running out >> don't try to know everything >> utilize what you already know >> >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok. Thanks, Surajit ji >>> >>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:07, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I did Sir and I will recheck thoroughly. >>>> I need time, Sir ji, first I intend to delete, one by one , any >>>> possibility of other *Colocasia* and *Alocasia* and also *Steudnera*. >>>> Then I will get back to *Remusatia*. >>>> In fact I was thinking of *Remusatia* too, specially *R. vivipara*, as >>>> in KEW site - >>>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:88433-1 >>>> . >>>> >>>> To tell you the fact - I am stressing more on flower than leaf >>>> characters. The long "male (or sterile male included?) zone" is my point of >>>> concern. >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 11:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>> May I request you to have a relook for *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>> as >>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2> >>>>> , two >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2> >>>>> , three >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>> and GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>> specimens >>>>> - one >>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg> >>>>> , two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 06:48, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning Sir ji >>>>>> Please, do not spend time on *Steudnera*. >>>>>> I think it will take time to sort out the two posts from Mizoram. >>>>>> Have a ice day >>>>>> >>>>>> life is short >>>>>> time is running out >>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 23:07, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I will have a serious lookbwitj more sources again tomorrow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:29 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Again, I would say that please compare the probabilities with these >>>>>>>> illustrations - >>>>>>>> http://plantgenera.org/species.php?id_taxon=9354&genus=Steudnera&id_species=978620&species=&mobile0&uhd=0&size=0&SID=to7pitmrq6bg9nsumkl0iji17a&lay_out=0&group=0&hd=0&query_type=genus&thumbnails_selectable=0&query_broad_or_restricted=broad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>>>> Pl. see them in 2nd image, which shows their relative size >>>>>>>>> compared to the leaves. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:25 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, Sir, the floral chamber(s) in the 3rd pic seems longer and >>>>>>>>>> cylindrical than all the references you have linked. However there >>>>>>>>>> might be >>>>>>>>>> some possibility which can not be confirmed without seeing the >>>>>>>>>> spadix. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as >>>>>>>>>>> per comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* >>>>>>>>>>> Schott >>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:36, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am no >>>>>>>>>>>> expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to learn >>>>>>>>>>>> something about plant-world. However, I do know what a flower of >>>>>>>>>>>> *A. >>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based >>>>>>>>>>>> on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of *Alocasia* or >>>>>>>>>>>> *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - >>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not like the ones I see here. >>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know if there can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the >>>>>>>>>>>> booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia decipiens* as per GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> , two >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> , three >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> , four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> , five >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> , six >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Sept 2014 at 16:59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:199258] Alocasia sp. for ID (Araceae) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Sairang, Mizoram >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 01-09-2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat :Grows wild in shady place >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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