Yes, Sir ji, let us wait. life is short time is running out don't try to know everything utilize what you already know
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot, Surajit ji. > I have written to Peter ji. Hope he also gives some feedback in the matter. > -- > With regards, > J. M. Garg > > On Thu, 20 May, 2021, 8:09 pm surajit koley, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ok, Sir ji, I agree with you! >> >> *Alocasia* and *Colocasia* are rejected, because, so far we have seen >> all flowers of those two genera carry spathe with two conspicuously visible >> zones and spadix markedly longer than spathe tube >> >> *Steudnera* also rejected, because (1) genus features medium to robust >> members (2) petiole sheath very short [disagree with pic DSCN1835] (3) >> apical part of the spathe marcescent ....... (all terms copied from FoC !!!) >> >> Two points I am not happy with are (1) floral chamber seems longer than >> those illustrations in FoC or those herb. you referred (2) leave in these >> photographs are not "long acuminate at apex (apices)". ----- of course >> these are minor problems. >> >> >> life is short >> time is running out >> don't try to know everything >> utilize what you already know >> >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:22, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In this case, particularly in pic no. DSCN1835, I do not see any spathe >>> limb + spadix. >>> If the highlighted part of the attached pic indicates part of "erect >>> aerial stolon", it is likely to be *Remusatia.* >>> So much for now.... >>> >>> >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok. Thanks, Surajit ji >>>> >>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:07, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did Sir and I will recheck thoroughly. >>>>> I need time, Sir ji, first I intend to delete, one by one , any >>>>> possibility of other *Colocasia* and *Alocasia* and also *Steudnera*. >>>>> Then I will get back to *Remusatia*. >>>>> In fact I was thinking of *Remusatia* too, specially *R. vivipara*, >>>>> as in KEW site - >>>>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:88433-1 >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> To tell you the fact - I am stressing more on flower than leaf >>>>> characters. The long "male (or sterile male included?) zone" is my point >>>>> of >>>>> concern. >>>>> >>>>> life is short >>>>> time is running out >>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 11:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>> May I request you to have a relook for *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>> as >>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2> >>>>>> , two >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2> >>>>>> , three >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>> and GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>> specimens >>>>>> - one >>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg> >>>>>> , two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 06:48, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning Sir ji >>>>>>> Please, do not spend time on *Steudnera*. >>>>>>> I think it will take time to sort out the two posts from Mizoram. >>>>>>> Have a ice day >>>>>>> >>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 23:07, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I will have a serious lookbwitj more sources again tomorrow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:29 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, I would say that please compare the probabilities with >>>>>>>>> these illustrations - >>>>>>>>> http://plantgenera.org/species.php?id_taxon=9354&genus=Steudnera&id_species=978620&species=&mobile0&uhd=0&size=0&SID=to7pitmrq6bg9nsumkl0iji17a&lay_out=0&group=0&hd=0&query_type=genus&thumbnails_selectable=0&query_broad_or_restricted=broad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>>>>> Pl. see them in 2nd image, which shows their relative size >>>>>>>>>> compared to the leaves. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:25 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Again, Sir, the floral chamber(s) in the 3rd pic seems longer >>>>>>>>>>> and cylindrical than all the references you have linked. However >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> might be some possibility which can not be confirmed without seeing >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> spadix. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as >>>>>>>>>>>> per comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* >>>>>>>>>>>> Schott >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:36, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am >>>>>>>>>>>>> no expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to >>>>>>>>>>>>> learn something about plant-world. However, I do know what a >>>>>>>>>>>>> flower of *A. >>>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification based >>>>>>>>>>>>> on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - >>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not like the ones I see here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know if there can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the >>>>>>>>>>>>> booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia decipiens* as per GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , four >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , five >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , six >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Sept 2014 at 16:59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:199258] Alocasia sp. for ID (Araceae) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Sairang, Mizoram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 01-09-2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat :Grows wild in shady place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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