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The highlighted white part which I thought was a stolon is actually some kind of wilted leaf sheath I think. surajit koley life is short time is running out don't try to know everything utilize what you already know On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 21:51, surajit koley <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, Sir ji, let us wait. > > life is short > time is running out > don't try to know everything > utilize what you already know > > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:48, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Surajit ji. >> I have written to Peter ji. Hope he also gives some feedback in the >> matter. >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> >> On Thu, 20 May, 2021, 8:09 pm surajit koley, < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ok, Sir ji, I agree with you! >>> >>> *Alocasia* and *Colocasia* are rejected, because, so far we have seen >>> all flowers of those two genera carry spathe with two conspicuously visible >>> zones and spadix markedly longer than spathe tube >>> >>> *Steudnera* also rejected, because (1) genus features medium to robust >>> members (2) petiole sheath very short [disagree with pic DSCN1835] (3) >>> apical part of the spathe marcescent ....... (all terms copied from FoC !!!) >>> >>> Two points I am not happy with are (1) floral chamber seems longer than >>> those illustrations in FoC or those herb. you referred (2) leave in these >>> photographs are not "long acuminate at apex (apices)". ----- of course >>> these are minor problems. >>> >>> >>> life is short >>> time is running out >>> don't try to know everything >>> utilize what you already know >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 13:22, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> In this case, particularly in pic no. DSCN1835, I do not see any spathe >>>> limb + spadix. >>>> If the highlighted part of the attached pic indicates part of "erect >>>> aerial stolon", it is likely to be *Remusatia.* >>>> So much for now.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> life is short >>>> time is running out >>>> don't try to know everything >>>> utilize what you already know >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:23, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok. Thanks, Surajit ji >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:07, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did Sir and I will recheck thoroughly. >>>>>> I need time, Sir ji, first I intend to delete, one by one , any >>>>>> possibility of other *Colocasia* and *Alocasia* and also *Steudnera*. >>>>>> Then I will get back to *Remusatia*. >>>>>> In fact I was thinking of *Remusatia* too, specially *R. vivipara*, >>>>>> as in KEW site - >>>>>> http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:88433-1 >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> To tell you the fact - I am stressing more on flower than leaf >>>>>> characters. The long "male (or sterile male included?) zone" is my point >>>>>> of >>>>>> concern. >>>>>> >>>>>> life is short >>>>>> time is running out >>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 11:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>> May I request you to have a relook for *Remusatia hookeriana* Schott >>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2> >>>>>>> , two >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2> >>>>>>> , three >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> specimens >>>>>>> - one >>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg> >>>>>>> , two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 06:48, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning Sir ji >>>>>>>> Please, do not spend time on *Steudnera*. >>>>>>>> I think it will take time to sort out the two posts from Mizoram. >>>>>>>> Have a ice day >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 23:07, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I will have a serious lookbwitj more sources again tomorrow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 10:29 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Again, I would say that please compare the probabilities with >>>>>>>>>> these illustrations - >>>>>>>>>> http://plantgenera.org/species.php?id_taxon=9354&genus=Steudnera&id_species=978620&species=&mobile0&uhd=0&size=0&SID=to7pitmrq6bg9nsumkl0iji17a&lay_out=0&group=0&hd=0&query_type=genus&thumbnails_selectable=0&query_broad_or_restricted=broad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 21:50, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Surajit ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Pl. see them in 2nd image, which shows their relative size >>>>>>>>>>> compared to the leaves. >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J. M. Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 9:25 pm surajit koley, < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Again, Sir, the floral chamber(s) in the 3rd pic seems longer >>>>>>>>>>>> and cylindrical than all the references you have linked. However >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> might be some possibility which can not be confirmed without >>>>>>>>>>>> seeing the >>>>>>>>>>>> spadix. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> life is short >>>>>>>>>>>> time is running out >>>>>>>>>>>> don't try to know everything >>>>>>>>>>>> utilize what you already know >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 16:13, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it may be some Remusatia >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/2011/12/09/remusatia/> species as >>>>>>>>>>>>> per comparative images herein, mostly *Remusatia hookeriana* >>>>>>>>>>>>> Schott >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraofindia.com/species/a---l/ar/araceae/remusatia/remusatia-hookeriana> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> per details and images herein and as per Flora of China keys >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128128>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> FoC illustrations- one >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122221&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122222&flora_id=2>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=122223&flora_id=2> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2871961> >>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens - one >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fquod.lib.umich.edu%2Fcgi%2Fi%2Fimage%2Fapi%2Fimage%2Fherb00ic%3A1489692%3AMICH-V-1489692%2Ffull%2Fres%3A0%2F0%2Fnative.jpg>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> two <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998711321>, three >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1998395449>, four >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F616588.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 20:36, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sawmliana ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know I am asking for too much! Please understand that I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no expert on *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*, I am here too to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn something about plant-world. However, I do know what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower of *A. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fornicata* look like. And I believe that identification >>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on leaf morphology can mislead, specially in case of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia* or *Colocasia*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have doubt if your plant can be *Alocasia fornicata* - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flowers are not like the ones I see here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know if there can be regional variation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I attach here description of *Alocasia fornicata* from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> booh, "Botany of Bihar and Orissa". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also attached an edited picture for your perusal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 07:16, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please send me the flower to examine physically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Koley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 21:29, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not convinced about it being Alocasia *fallax* as per >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329901> specimens or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alocasia decipiens* as per GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/species/5329954>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I see here is shining leaves with clear tertiary veins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and contrasting colours of both sides of the leave, as can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GBIF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?country=IN&country=TH&country=LK&country=US&country=VN&country=ZZ&taxon_key=5329964> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specimens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Alocasia fornicata at one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F711058.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3dc41e73e-6e95-4bda-9d8c-a948f6944a0f> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , three >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FL.1415396%2Fformat%2Flarge> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , four >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm3c20a6c8e-b68f-4408-9982-5b468ca20148> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , five >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm376252f4a-9298-45c5-8c5a-fe20d8152bc8> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , six >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fn2t.net%2Fark%3A%2F65665%2Fm35f65b9c9-43fe-448a-b8dd-c3fe4902abe2>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also have distribution in the area as per POWO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:84168-1> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pl. confirm or otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: M Sawmliana <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Sept 2014 at 16:59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:199258] Alocasia sp. for ID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Araceae) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Location : Sairang, Mizoram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 01-09-2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat :Grows wild in shady place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.Sawmliana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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