Dear H S I really pity you when you use words like so called botanists or taxonomists. This smacks of arrogance, which is not good for a budding taxonomist. Humility is a greater virtue that looking down upon others.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:09 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > Thats what i love about the group, so many non botanist members interested > in the plant.. what more can be expected from them, they are doing more than > expectation.. but i really expect from the so called botanist or > taxonomist.. > > regards, > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dear H S >> Let us understand and appreciate that there are only 50 or less botanists >> on this group, and we can't expect nearly 1750 non botanists to go to a >> herbarium, in these days when plucking of flowers is discouraged all over >> the world. The main aim of this group is photography, interest in flowers >> and let us find ways to make best use of that and not discourage people who >> are getting interest in environment. It may interest you to know that all >> modern text books have shifted to the use of coloured photographs instead of >> line diagrams. >> >> I believe in moving with the technology and would request every one else >> to do the same >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:51 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> sorry sirji, but i never learned that identifying the photos are called >>> TAXONOMY.. no daubt that you have great great experience in this field and >>> great knowledge about the subject, i also have one of your textbooks with >>> me, but somewhere you also will believe that in some of the genus like >>> Alysicarpus, Eriocaulon, Cyperus, Eragrostis nad many more its very tuff to >>> identify the species with photograph, its need to be studied by comparing >>> with herbarium or studying under microscope.. >>> >>> no one taught me Taxonomy....that go in the field take snaps come back >>> and compare with photos in Trees of Delhi, Flowers of Sahyadri, Trees of >>> Mumbai, etc etc.. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear H S >>>> The very purpose of this group is to share photographs taken by >>>> different members, and exchange these photographs. The members get their >>>> photographs identified through experts who know these plants. I have been >>>> practicing taxonomy for last 40 years and have studied herbarium specimens >>>> of almost all major Indian Herbaria, but I have learnt more taxonomy in >>>> last >>>> three years that I joined this group, and perhaps no one can appreciate the >>>> value of digital photographs than me. Perhaps half of our problems would be >>>> solved if we learn to move with the time and take benefit of developing >>>> technology. >>>> >>>> If we agree to your view point that photographs are no use for >>>> identification, then perhaps we would have to disband this group of 1800 >>>> members. At least I don't subscribe to that. After excellent close ups by >>>> Pankaj ji, Dinesh ji, Satish ji, I have come to believe that perhaps a >>>> macro >>>> of fresh flower can give more details than a under microscope study of >>>> dried >>>> and deformed flower. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> dear sirji, if i asked for some more details about the plants than what >>>>> wrong i did, because i know that there are two more similar looking >>>>> species >>>>> in the same genus.. >>>>> >>>>> i never trust anyones identification done from the photograph.. >>>>> >>>>> if group is not happy about my post than i am not interested in >>>>> discussing the things.. >>>>> >>>>> thanks.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think it would help the group if more and more experts come forward >>>>>> to share different jobs. For last so many years my self and Garg ji have >>>>>> been doing our best to resurface the pending identifications and how >>>>>> tiring >>>>>> this job is. Every body knows we have been giving all previous feedbacks >>>>>> and >>>>>> our comments also. Seeing how difficult job it is Dinesh ji, who has been >>>>>> doing all important job for the website, (which not every one can >>>>>> appreciate). has given a lending of resurfacing. Rather than appreciating >>>>>> such efforts I find one member has chosen to find faults with it. It >>>>>> would >>>>>> have been more appropriate if he had found and supplemented the >>>>>> resurfacing >>>>>> efforts. I have been requesting him repeatedly to take up some jobs on >>>>>> the >>>>>> group. He does not want to do any job for the group, but is ready to find >>>>>> faults with every body else. His consistent lines in the middle of the >>>>>> thread have been "I think..............................." and there is >>>>>> not s >>>>>> single evidence to support his conclusion. The other day he wrote on the >>>>>> group "there may be other experts on the group who can identify your >>>>>> photographs but............................". Such type of behavior >>>>>> only >>>>>> spoils the atmosphere of the group. few days back when Dinesh ji shared >>>>>> some valuable identified plants on the group, he consistently asked him >>>>>> to >>>>>> supply details about the plants which were already identified and with >>>>>> useful information of all regional names. I had to tell him that person >>>>>> sharing his already identified plants is only doing service to the group, >>>>>> and every thing supplied by him is a bonus for us. If we have any doubts >>>>>> we >>>>>> should do our home work and if there are any doubts he should share with >>>>>> evidence. >>>>>> I am sorry to share this in the forum, but I have tried in vain >>>>>> that he does not spoil the harmony of the group, but it seems his >>>>>> intrusions >>>>>> are increasing and are not for the good of the group. I request him again >>>>>> that is a talented person and should use this for welfare of the group >>>>>> and >>>>>> not spoil its harmony through his frequent non too desirable utterances. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Samir Mehta >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did just that yesterday & I am happy that the same is being >>>>>>> suggested to the group for wider implementation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/cff8bf25002f8c8d/a5847174c6cfc51a?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=boerhavia+diffusa# >>>>>>> ] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks & Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samir Mehta >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 23, 1:31 pm, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > One request to the group: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > no doubt its very clear that the plant photo is not 100 percent >>>>>>> sure about >>>>>>> > the identity if posted again as resurfing for identification. just >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> > request to those who are posting again for resurfing, if he or she >>>>>>> can give >>>>>>> > or add little comments on the earlier post by the member for the >>>>>>> identity.. >>>>>>> > than it would become easy to seperate them from another species.. >>>>>>> or it can >>>>>>> > be discuss by the moderator member of the group and than put for >>>>>>> resurfing >>>>>>> > with some extra details.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > one question.. is it necessary to identify every not clear photos >>>>>>> (i mean >>>>>>> > some times photos are not so clear to identify the species level >>>>>>> and if >>>>>>> > someone is doing so, i think it can only be a guess and not a 100 >>>>>>> percent >>>>>>> > proper identification), than why to stretch on such things and >>>>>>> waste time... >>>>>>> > by putting again and again it for resurfing... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > regards >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > - H.S. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>> heart of >>>>>>> > stone >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - H.S. >>> >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>> of stone >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone > >
