I am glad you object to arrogance.... usha di ===
On Oct 23, 6:53 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear H S > I really pity you when you use words like so called botanists or > taxonomists. This smacks of arrogance, which is not good for a budding > taxonomist. Humility is a greater virtue that looking down upon others. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:09 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thats what i love about the group, so many non botanist members interested > > in the plant.. what more can be expected from them, they are doing more than > > expectation.. but i really expect from the so called botanist or > > taxonomist.. > > > regards, > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Dear H S > >> Let us understand and appreciate that there are only 50 or less botanists > >> on this group, and we can't expect nearly 1750 non botanists to go to a > >> herbarium, in these days when plucking of flowers is discouraged all over > >> the world. The main aim of this group is photography, interest in flowers > >> and let us find ways to make best use of that and not discourage people who > >> are getting interest in environment. It may interest you to know that all > >> modern text books have shifted to the use of coloured photographs instead > >> of > >> line diagrams. > > >> I believe in moving with the technology and would request every one else > >> to do the same > >> -- > >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> Retired Associate Professor > >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:51 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> sorry sirji, but i never learned that identifying the photos are called > >>> TAXONOMY.. no daubt that you have great great experience in this field and > >>> great knowledge about the subject, i also have one of your textbooks with > >>> me, but somewhere you also will believe that in some of the genus like > >>> Alysicarpus, Eriocaulon, Cyperus, Eragrostis nad many more its very tuff > >>> to > >>> identify the species with photograph, its need to be studied by comparing > >>> with herbarium or studying under microscope.. > > >>> no one taught me Taxonomy....that go in the field take snaps come back > >>> and compare with photos in Trees of Delhi, Flowers of Sahyadri, Trees of > >>> Mumbai, etc etc.. > > >>> regards, > > >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>> Dear H S > >>>> The very purpose of this group is to share photographs taken by > >>>> different members, and exchange these photographs. The members get their > >>>> photographs identified through experts who know these plants. I have been > >>>> practicing taxonomy for last 40 years and have studied herbarium > >>>> specimens > >>>> of almost all major Indian Herbaria, but I have learnt more taxonomy in > >>>> last > >>>> three years that I joined this group, and perhaps no one can appreciate > >>>> the > >>>> value of digital photographs than me. Perhaps half of our problems would > >>>> be > >>>> solved if we learn to move with the time and take benefit of developing > >>>> technology. > > >>>> If we agree to your view point that photographs are no use for > >>>> identification, then perhaps we would have to disband this group of 1800 > >>>> members. At least I don't subscribe to that. After excellent close ups by > >>>> Pankaj ji, Dinesh ji, Satish ji, I have come to believe that perhaps a > >>>> macro > >>>> of fresh flower can give more details than a under microscope study of > >>>> dried > >>>> and deformed flower. > > >>>> -- > >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> dear sirji, if i asked for some more details about the plants than what > >>>>> wrong i did, because i know that there are two more similar looking > >>>>> species > >>>>> in the same genus.. > > >>>>> i never trust anyones identification done from the photograph.. > > >>>>> if group is not happy about my post than i am not interested in > >>>>> discussing the things.. > > >>>>> thanks.. > > >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> I think it would help the group if more and more experts come forward > >>>>>> to share different jobs. For last so many years my self and Garg ji > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> been doing our best to resurface the pending identifications and how > >>>>>> tiring > >>>>>> this job is. Every body knows we have been giving all previous > >>>>>> feedbacks and > >>>>>> our comments also. Seeing how difficult job it is Dinesh ji, who has > >>>>>> been > >>>>>> doing all important job for the website, (which not every one can > >>>>>> appreciate). has given a lending of resurfacing. Rather than > >>>>>> appreciating > >>>>>> such efforts I find one member has chosen to find faults with it. It > >>>>>> would > >>>>>> have been more appropriate if he had found and supplemented the > >>>>>> resurfacing > >>>>>> efforts. I have been requesting him repeatedly to take up some jobs on > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> group. He does not want to do any job for the group, but is ready to > >>>>>> find > >>>>>> faults with every body else. His consistent lines in the middle of the > >>>>>> thread have been "I think..............................." and there is > >>>>>> not s > >>>>>> single evidence to support his conclusion. The other day he wrote on > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> group "there may be other experts on the group who can identify your > >>>>>> photographs but............................". Such type of behavior > >>>>>> only > >>>>>> spoils the atmosphere of the group. few days back when Dinesh ji > >>>>>> shared > >>>>>> some valuable identified plants on the group, he consistently asked > >>>>>> him to > >>>>>> supply details about the plants which were already identified and with > >>>>>> useful information of all regional names. I had to tell him that > >>>>>> person > >>>>>> sharing his already identified plants is only doing service to the > >>>>>> group, > >>>>>> and every thing supplied by him is a bonus for us. If we have any > >>>>>> doubts we > >>>>>> should do our home work and if there are any doubts he should share > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> evidence. > >>>>>> I am sorry to share this in the forum, but I have tried in vain > >>>>>> that he does not spoil the harmony of the group, but it seems his > >>>>>> intrusions > >>>>>> are increasing and are not for the good of the group. I request him > >>>>>> again > >>>>>> that is a talented person and should use this for welfare of the group > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> not spoil its harmony through his frequent non too desirable > >>>>>> utterances. > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Samir Mehta > >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>>> I did just that yesterday & I am happy that the same is being > >>>>>>> suggested to the group for wider implementation. > > >>>>>>> Please see: > > >>>>>>>https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/cf... > >>>>>>> ] > > >>>>>>> Thanks & Regards, > > >>>>>>> Samir Mehta > > >>>>>>> On Oct 23, 1:31 pm, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > One request to the group: > > >>>>>>> > no doubt its very clear that the plant photo is not 100 percent > >>>>>>> sure about > >>>>>>> > the identity if posted again as resurfing for identification. just > >>>>>>> one > >>>>>>> > request to those who are posting again for resurfing, if he or she > >>>>>>> can give > >>>>>>> > or add little comments on the earlier post by the member for the > >>>>>>> identity.. > >>>>>>> > than it would become easy to seperate them from another species.. > >>>>>>> or it can > >>>>>>> > be discuss by the moderator member of the group and than put for > >>>>>>> resurfing > >>>>>>> > with some extra details.. > > >>>>>>> > one question.. is it necessary to identify every not clear photos > >>>>>>> (i mean > >>>>>>> > some times photos are not so clear to identify the species level > >>>>>>> and if > >>>>>>> > someone is doing so, i think it can only be a guess and not a 100 > >>>>>>> percent > >>>>>>> > proper identification), than why to stretch on such things and > >>>>>>> waste time... > >>>>>>> > by putting again and again it for resurfing... > > >>>>>>> > regards > > >>>>>>> > -- > >>>>>>> > - H.S. > > >>>>>>> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > >>>>>>> heart of > >>>>>>> > stone > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> - H.S. > > >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart > >>>>> of stone > > >>> -- > >>> - H.S. > > >>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart > >>> of stone > > > -- > > - H.S. > > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > > stone
