HS... once in a while your posts sound very normal... and then you get on high horse.... write something that's cutting at best or insulting to a senior members at the worst... why... ???/
solution to your interaction problem... take a deep breath... type what you want to blurt out.. do not send in... get up and walk around.. come back and see if you still feel like insulting someone... more than likely you would not... than delete it... for god's sake... and write what is correct then... or do not say anything... nobody has put a contract for any of us members that we have to comment on every thing... and GOD did not send us to this earth to be a militia... that's not the way for a soul to grow... or for efloraindia to remain a nice botany group and grow... sometimes questions you raise are important or legitimate.. abut you need to learn to communicate your thoughts in a placid manner... so that your true intent (of helping Indian botany or taxonomy get further or corrected) comes thru... may god help you... good luck Usha di ----------------------- ============== On Oct 23, 6:39 pm, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > Thats what i love about the group, so many non botanist members interested > in the plant.. what more can be expected from them, they are doing more than > expectation.. but i really expect from the so called botanist or > taxonomist.. > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear H S > > Let us understand and appreciate that there are only 50 or less botanists > > on this group, and we can't expect nearly 1750 non botanists to go to a > > herbarium, in these days when plucking of flowers is discouraged all over > > the world. The main aim of this group is photography, interest in flowers > > and let us find ways to make best use of that and not discourage people who > > are getting interest in environment. It may interest you to know that all > > modern text books have shifted to the use of coloured photographs instead of > > line diagrams. > > > I believe in moving with the technology and would request every one else to > > do the same > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:51 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> sorry sirji, but i never learned that identifying the photos are called > >> TAXONOMY.. no daubt that you have great great experience in this field and > >> great knowledge about the subject, i also have one of your textbooks with > >> me, but somewhere you also will believe that in some of the genus like > >> Alysicarpus, Eriocaulon, Cyperus, Eragrostis nad many more its very tuff to > >> identify the species with photograph, its need to be studied by comparing > >> with herbarium or studying under microscope.. > > >> no one taught me Taxonomy....that go in the field take snaps come back and > >> compare with photos in Trees of Delhi, Flowers of Sahyadri, Trees of > >> Mumbai, > >> etc etc.. > > >> regards, > > >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Dear H S > >>> The very purpose of this group is to share photographs taken by > >>> different members, and exchange these photographs. The members get their > >>> photographs identified through experts who know these plants. I have been > >>> practicing taxonomy for last 40 years and have studied herbarium specimens > >>> of almost all major Indian Herbaria, but I have learnt more taxonomy in > >>> last > >>> three years that I joined this group, and perhaps no one can appreciate > >>> the > >>> value of digital photographs than me. Perhaps half of our problems would > >>> be > >>> solved if we learn to move with the time and take benefit of developing > >>> technology. > > >>> If we agree to your view point that photographs are no use for > >>> identification, then perhaps we would have to disband this group of 1800 > >>> members. At least I don't subscribe to that. After excellent close ups by > >>> Pankaj ji, Dinesh ji, Satish ji, I have come to believe that perhaps a > >>> macro > >>> of fresh flower can give more details than a under microscope study of > >>> dried > >>> and deformed flower. > > >>> -- > >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> Retired Associate Professor > >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:16 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> dear sirji, if i asked for some more details about the plants than what > >>>> wrong i did, because i know that there are two more similar looking > >>>> species > >>>> in the same genus.. > > >>>> i never trust anyones identification done from the photograph.. > > >>>> if group is not happy about my post than i am not interested in > >>>> discussing the things.. > > >>>> thanks.. > > >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>> I think it would help the group if more and more experts come forward > >>>>> to share different jobs. For last so many years my self and Garg ji have > >>>>> been doing our best to resurface the pending identifications and how > >>>>> tiring > >>>>> this job is. Every body knows we have been giving all previous > >>>>> feedbacks and > >>>>> our comments also. Seeing how difficult job it is Dinesh ji, who has > >>>>> been > >>>>> doing all important job for the website, (which not every one can > >>>>> appreciate). has given a lending of resurfacing. Rather than > >>>>> appreciating > >>>>> such efforts I find one member has chosen to find faults with it. It > >>>>> would > >>>>> have been more appropriate if he had found and supplemented the > >>>>> resurfacing > >>>>> efforts. I have been requesting him repeatedly to take up some jobs on > >>>>> the > >>>>> group. He does not want to do any job for the group, but is ready to > >>>>> find > >>>>> faults with every body else. His consistent lines in the middle of the > >>>>> thread have been "I think..............................." and there is > >>>>> not s > >>>>> single evidence to support his conclusion. The other day he wrote on the > >>>>> group "there may be other experts on the group who can identify your > >>>>> photographs but............................". Such type of behavior > >>>>> only > >>>>> spoils the atmosphere of the group. few days back when Dinesh ji shared > >>>>> some valuable identified plants on the group, he consistently asked him > >>>>> to > >>>>> supply details about the plants which were already identified and with > >>>>> useful information of all regional names. I had to tell him that person > >>>>> sharing his already identified plants is only doing service to the > >>>>> group, > >>>>> and every thing supplied by him is a bonus for us. If we have any > >>>>> doubts we > >>>>> should do our home work and if there are any doubts he should share with > >>>>> evidence. > >>>>> I am sorry to share this in the forum, but I have tried in vain > >>>>> that he does not spoil the harmony of the group, but it seems his > >>>>> intrusions > >>>>> are increasing and are not for the good of the group. I request him > >>>>> again > >>>>> that is a talented person and should use this for welfare of the group > >>>>> and > >>>>> not spoil its harmony through his frequent non too desirable utterances. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>>>> Retired Associate Professor > >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >>>>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Samir Mehta > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>>> I did just that yesterday & I am happy that the same is being > >>>>>> suggested to the group for wider implementation. > > >>>>>> Please see: > > >>>>>>https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/cf... > >>>>>> ] > > >>>>>> Thanks & Regards, > > >>>>>> Samir Mehta > > >>>>>> On Oct 23, 1:31 pm, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > One request to the group: > > >>>>>> > no doubt its very clear that the plant photo is not 100 percent sure > >>>>>> about > >>>>>> > the identity if posted again as resurfing for identification. just > >>>>>> one > >>>>>> > request to those who are posting again for resurfing, if he or she > >>>>>> can give > >>>>>> > or add little comments on the earlier post by the member for the > >>>>>> identity.. > >>>>>> > than it would become easy to seperate them from another species.. > >>>>>> or it can > >>>>>> > be discuss by the moderator member of the group and than put for > >>>>>> resurfing > >>>>>> > with some extra details.. > > >>>>>> > one question.. is it necessary to identify every not clear photos (i > >>>>>> mean > >>>>>> > some times photos are not so clear to identify the species level and > >>>>>> if > >>>>>> > someone is doing so, i think it can only be a guess and not a 100 > >>>>>> percent > >>>>>> > proper identification), than why to stretch on such things and waste > >>>>>> time... > >>>>>> > by putting again and again it for resurfing... > > >>>>>> > regards > > >>>>>> > -- > >>>>>> > - H.S. > > >>>>>> > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere > >>>>>> heart of > >>>>>> > stone > > >>>> -- > >>>> - H.S. > > >>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart > >>>> of stone > > >> -- > >> - H.S. > > >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > >> stone > > -- > - H.S. > > A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of > stone
