On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Florin Razvan Patan <florinpa...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hi Paul, > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Paul Reinheimer <preinhei...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > My apologies for the intrusion, I'll keep this brief. > > > > In many discussions over the past few months there has been talk about > what > > the community at large needs. Pierre said just earlier today: > > > > "I would also say it us time for us to get back in sync with the > > communities needs. I am not talking about the last days RFCs but in > > general." > > > > The other point that comes up is the difficulty in reaching a large > portion > > of the community. They don't come to conferences, they don't sit on this > > list, they don't go to user groups. They work with PHP for months or > years, > > but the rest of the "community" doesn't even know who they are. I believe > > Rasmus has mentioned this on a few occasions. > > > > So my suggestion is simple, let's ask them: What they want, What they > need, > > how they installed PHP (source, rpm, deb, provided by hosting provider, > > Zend Server), etc. Let's create a survey, and link to it prominently on > > php.net. I considered just writing a survey myself, but even if > everyone I > > knew tweeted it I'd still lack the reach to hit those outside the > > traditional community. > > > > > > While this is clearly not a suggestion to change PHP, i'll write this up > in > > RFC format if there's interest. Should give people an opportunity to > > discuss questions and such. > > > > > > thanks for your time > > paul > > > > > > -- > > Paul Reinheimer > > Thank you for championing this. I've been promoting this kind of > feedback for a while now. > > Just like the discussion I've had earlier on the IRC channel, I do > believe that when proposals are made/are at a point where the > internals don't agree with which solution is better and it should > affect the community at large, it would be better to just ask the > community and see what they want/agree on. The issue would > be that in some cases one side would lose but the same thing > happens when the debate is done here, on the mailing list, and > a solution doesn't satisfy some people and ends up being the > standard for the whole community. > > These votes shouldn't be seen as a must but should serve more > as a guideline. > > As for the problems raised by Kris, I think that a simple system > based on the e-mail address of the voter with some prior > confirmation / pending approval, like for the mailing lists, should > be enough to grant the right to vote or not. Even if some people > were to have multiple accounts, I don't think they'd go to the > trouble of spawning a very large number of e-mail addresses just > to see their favorite option accepted. > > I'd be more that happy to provide any help possible for the RFC > as well as the survey / surveys themselves. > > > > Best regards. > ---- > Florin Patan > https://github.com/dlsniper > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Agreed on all of your points, Florin. Perhaps the three of us can make this a collaborative effort if everyone's willing. --Kris
