Device and host are standard USB terminology. Loosely speaking, the host is the one providing power and the one requiring to have intimate knowledge of the device's interface. In the case of the IOIO/Android, either way works (i.e. the IOIO can act either as a host or device). In your case, you're probably more interested in the IOIO being host scenario, which is the case in which that IOIO charges the Android.
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: > I got the Android to detect the presence of the ioio board. By measuring > the Vbus rail current, it looks like the Android that I am using (an older > HTC) takes about 450 ma. When you say device, what are you referring to? > When you say host, what are you referring to...assuming that I have the > ioio board connected to an Android. > > On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:50:02 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >> >> The way USB works is that the device detects the presence of a host by >> sensing the VBUS rail. If it is about 5V, a host is present and the USB >> specifies what is the minimum the host must provide in order to be detected >> correctly. Under this specified voltage, the device may or may not detect >> the presence of a host. >> Now, what we're doing on the IOIO is taking a 5V signal and passing it >> through (effectively) a resistor to the VBUS rail. This means that the >> voltage on VBUS will drop linearly in the amount of current drawn (5V - >> I*R). So the more you try to limit the current by increasing the >> resistance, you'd also be lowering the VBUS voltage until eventually >> causing the Android to stop detecting the presence of a host. >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't understand. Which voltage are you talking? The ioio is not >>> measuring its 5 volt supply voltage. I would not expect the ioio 5 volt >>> supply to drop a measurable amount in any case, regardless of load. The >>> variable resistor is setting a charge current *to* the Android, >>> therefore I would expect the Android supply voltage to raise...not drop. >>> Is the Android monitoring it's own supply voltage? >>> >>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 11:25:33 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>> >>>> How much the voltage drops as result of different charge current >>>> limiting and how low the voltage can drop before the Android decides it is >>>> not connected is totally device dependent. This is in general a total hack >>>> (which does work great in certain cases). The formal USB specification >>>> doesn't actually allow doing that. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I tried another board and got it working OK. At least now, it >>>>> recognizes the App is present. >>>>> The next problem is to make the Android detect the board. How much >>>>> charging current does the Android need in order to detect that it is >>>>> connected to something? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 12:58:24 PM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is supposed to be an exact OTG copy. Something is keeping it in >>>>>> the boot mode even after reset. Any ideas? Can hardware keep it in boot >>>>>> mode? BOOT is not being held low. I will probe HOST. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In what ways is your hardware different than the standard IOIO-OTG? >>>>>>> Is it possible that for some reason it thinks it is in host mode? Can >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> probe the HOST signal? >>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2015 10:41 AM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It always says "Bootloader detected" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMinils /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121371 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --force write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Writing image... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [########################################] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Writing fingerprint... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --reset versions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 10:33:11 AM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 --reset write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Comparing fingerprints... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fingerprint match - skipping write. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It hangs up at this point and I have to exit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ^CVicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 8:48:49 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is only the bootloader. I would like to see what happens >>>>>>>>>> after a reset. That is, to get the "IOIO Application Detected" >>>>>>>>>> message. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121311 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 versions >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> d895d272a4b98529693fcdc4f69eeb3c >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 --reset versions >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 7:48:34 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 *--reset *versions >>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OR: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do I get out of the bootloader mode without changing the >>>>>>>>>>>>> port so I can check to see what it says is loaded? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:16:09 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What bootloader did you put on it? Was it able to correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to IOIODude? What app did you install? 5 blinks doesn't mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything... Possibly corrupt firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 4:13 PM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually it blinks 5 times...only when the usb cable is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to a phone. Any idea what that means? The boot pin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That means that you're in bootloader mode. This will happen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you power on with the boot pin held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 1:22 PM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I power on, the LED blinks 3 times. Is that normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation? I think that I have IOIO0500 installed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:41:06 AM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HOST signal is active high. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say assert, do you mean assert high or assert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:36:24 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The IOIO decides whether it should be host or device >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on whether the USBID pin is pulled low (host) or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (device). On the standard IOIO board this pin would get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulled low by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either plugging in a USB micro A connector to the A/B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socket or by forcing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it low using the on-board switch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the IOIO application firmware detects that USBID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is pulled low, it will assert the HOST signal, which will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause 5V to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplied on the VBUS rail. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got the boot loader flashed and am able to run the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blink app...but having trouble with the Android charging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a detailed description of the Android >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging circuit including the operation of Q1, Q2 and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the VBUS and HOST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pins of the PIC? My new circuit implementation does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging the Android properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:26:30 PM UTC-7, Vic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wintriss wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks…think I got it running with the Pickit3…I’ll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let you know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Ytai Ben-Tsvi < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's not much to it. Get a PIC programmer, or use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a second IOIO as such. Flash the bootloader image that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the downloads page and finally use IOIODude as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual to flash the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an example of how to do the second IOIO way: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUKAPP63QtU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just got my new VicsWagon boards back with PIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldered on the robot board with all ioio circuitry on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the board, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the best instructions for flashing a boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loader and app firmware? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed 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