You don't download code from Android Studio to the PIC. You can either: - Download code from MPLABX to the PIC (firmware) OR: - Download code from Android Studio to Android (software)
I don't understand what you're saying really. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: > The PIC. I have laid the ioio circuit down on the new VicsWagon board. > Everything was working fine. I even was getting ultrasonic readings from > the sensors on the VicsWagon and then all of a sudden I couldn't load from > Android Studio any more. > > On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >> >> What do you mean when you say "cannot load a test program from Android >> Studio into the processor"? >> Which processor? >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> When I run versions with IOIOdude when not in the bootloader mode, I get: >>> >>> VicMacMini-2:IOIODude VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121351 >>> versions >>> >>> IOIO Application detected. >>> >>> >>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>> >>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>> >>> Application version: IOIO0500 >>> >>> VicMacMini-2:IOIODude VicMini$ >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 7:12:57 PM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a new problem. Suddenly, I cannot load a test program from >>>> Android Studio into the processor. I can load the Blink program with >>>> ioioDude and it works OK. I can load the Android Studio test program into >>>> other IOIO boards and it works OK. The test program just blinks the led. >>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Device and host are standard USB terminology. Loosely speaking, the >>>>> host is the one providing power and the one requiring to have intimate >>>>> knowledge of the device's interface. >>>>> In the case of the IOIO/Android, either way works (i.e. the IOIO can >>>>> act either as a host or device). In your case, you're probably more >>>>> interested in the IOIO being host scenario, which is the case in which >>>>> that >>>>> IOIO charges the Android. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I got the Android to detect the presence of the ioio board. By >>>>>> measuring the Vbus rail current, it looks like the Android that I am >>>>>> using >>>>>> (an older HTC) takes about 450 ma. When you say device, what are you >>>>>> referring to? When you say host, what are you referring to...assuming >>>>>> that >>>>>> I have the ioio board connected to an Android. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:50:02 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The way USB works is that the device detects the presence of a host >>>>>>> by sensing the VBUS rail. If it is about 5V, a host is present and the >>>>>>> USB >>>>>>> specifies what is the minimum the host must provide in order to be >>>>>>> detected >>>>>>> correctly. Under this specified voltage, the device may or may not >>>>>>> detect >>>>>>> the presence of a host. >>>>>>> Now, what we're doing on the IOIO is taking a 5V signal and passing >>>>>>> it through (effectively) a resistor to the VBUS rail. This means that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> voltage on VBUS will drop linearly in the amount of current drawn (5V - >>>>>>> I*R). So the more you try to limit the current by increasing the >>>>>>> resistance, you'd also be lowering the VBUS voltage until eventually >>>>>>> causing the Android to stop detecting the presence of a host. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand. Which voltage are you talking? The ioio is >>>>>>>> not measuring its 5 volt supply voltage. I would not expect the ioio 5 >>>>>>>> volt >>>>>>>> supply to drop a measurable amount in any case, regardless of load. The >>>>>>>> variable resistor is setting a charge current *to* the Android, >>>>>>>> therefore I would expect the Android supply voltage to raise...not >>>>>>>> drop. >>>>>>>> Is the Android monitoring it's own supply voltage? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 11:25:33 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much the voltage drops as result of different charge current >>>>>>>>> limiting and how low the voltage can drop before the Android decides >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> not connected is totally device dependent. This is in general a total >>>>>>>>> hack >>>>>>>>> (which does work great in certain cases). The formal USB specification >>>>>>>>> doesn't actually allow doing that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I tried another board and got it working OK. At least now, it >>>>>>>>>> recognizes the App is present. >>>>>>>>>> The next problem is to make the Android detect the board. How >>>>>>>>>> much charging current does the Android need in order to detect that >>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> connected to something? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 12:58:24 PM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is supposed to be an exact OTG copy. Something is keeping it >>>>>>>>>>> in the boot mode even after reset. Any ideas? Can hardware keep >>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>> boot mode? BOOT is not being held low. I will probe HOST. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In what ways is your hardware different than the standard >>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO-OTG? Is it possible that for some reason it thinks it is in >>>>>>>>>>>> host mode? >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you probe the HOST signal? >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2015 10:41 AM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It always says "Bootloader detected" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMinils /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121371 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --force write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Writing image... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [########################################] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Writing fingerprint... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Done. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --reset versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 10:33:11 AM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 --reset write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comparing fingerprints... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fingerprint match - skipping write. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It hangs up at this point and I have to exit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^CVicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 8:48:49 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is only the bootloader. I would like to see what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens after a reset. That is, to get the "IOIO Application >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Detected" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121311 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d895d272a4b98529693fcdc4f69eeb3c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 --reset versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 7:48:34 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 *--reset * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do I get out of the bootloader mode without changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the port so I can check to see what it says is loaded? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:16:09 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What bootloader did you put on it? Was it able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly talk to IOIODude? What app did you install? 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blinks doesn't mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything... Possibly corrupt firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 4:13 PM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually it blinks 5 times...only when the usb cable is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to a phone. Any idea what that means? The boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pin is not being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That means that you're in bootloader mode. This will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen when you power on with the boot pin held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 1:22 PM, "Vic Wintriss" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I power on, the LED blinks 3 times. Is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal operation? I think that I have IOIO0500 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:41:06 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HOST signal is active high. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say assert, do you mean assert high or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assert low? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:36:24 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The IOIO decides whether it should be host or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device based on whether the USBID pin is pulled low >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (host) or left floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (device). On the standard IOIO board this pin would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get pulled low by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either plugging in a USB micro A connector to the A/B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socket or by forcing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it low using the on-board switch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the IOIO application firmware detects that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USBID is pulled low, it will assert the HOST signal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which will cause 5V to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be supplied on the VBUS rail. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got the boot loader flashed and am able to run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blink app...but having trouble with the Android >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging circuit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a detailed description of the Android >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging circuit including the operation of Q1, Q2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the VBUS and HOST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pins of the PIC? My new circuit implementation does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seem to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging the Android properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:26:30 PM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vic Wintriss wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks…think I got it running with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pickit3…I’ll let you know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Ytai Ben-Tsvi < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's not much to it. Get a PIC programmer, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a second IOIO as such. Flash the bootloader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> image that you can download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the downloads page and finally use IOIODude as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual to flash the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an example of how to do the second IOIO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUKAPP63QtU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just got my new VicsWagon boards back with PIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldered on the robot board with all ioio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuitry on the board, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the best instructions for flashing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot loader and app firmware? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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