The PIC. I have laid the ioio circuit down on the new VicsWagon board. Everything was working fine. I even was getting ultrasonic readings from the sensors on the VicsWagon and then all of a sudden I couldn't load from Android Studio any more.
On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: > > What do you mean when you say "cannot load a test program from Android > Studio into the processor"? > Which processor? > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> When I run versions with IOIOdude when not in the bootloader mode, I get: >> >> VicMacMini-2:IOIODude VicMini$ ./ioiodude >> --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121351 versions >> >> IOIO Application detected. >> >> >> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >> >> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >> >> Application version: IOIO0500 >> >> VicMacMini-2:IOIODude VicMini$ >> >> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 7:12:57 PM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss wrote: >>> >>> I have a new problem. Suddenly, I cannot load a test program from >>> Android Studio into the processor. I can load the Blink program with >>> ioioDude and it works OK. I can load the Android Studio test program into >>> other IOIO boards and it works OK. The test program just blinks the led. >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 3:41:28 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>> >>>> Device and host are standard USB terminology. Loosely speaking, the >>>> host is the one providing power and the one requiring to have intimate >>>> knowledge of the device's interface. >>>> In the case of the IOIO/Android, either way works (i.e. the IOIO can >>>> act either as a host or device). In your case, you're probably more >>>> interested in the IOIO being host scenario, which is the case in which >>>> that >>>> IOIO charges the Android. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I got the Android to detect the presence of the ioio board. By >>>>> measuring the Vbus rail current, it looks like the Android that I am >>>>> using >>>>> (an older HTC) takes about 450 ma. When you say device, what are you >>>>> referring to? When you say host, what are you referring to...assuming >>>>> that >>>>> I have the ioio board connected to an Android. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 3:50:02 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The way USB works is that the device detects the presence of a host >>>>>> by sensing the VBUS rail. If it is about 5V, a host is present and the >>>>>> USB >>>>>> specifies what is the minimum the host must provide in order to be >>>>>> detected >>>>>> correctly. Under this specified voltage, the device may or may not >>>>>> detect >>>>>> the presence of a host. >>>>>> Now, what we're doing on the IOIO is taking a 5V signal and passing >>>>>> it through (effectively) a resistor to the VBUS rail. This means that >>>>>> the >>>>>> voltage on VBUS will drop linearly in the amount of current drawn (5V - >>>>>> I*R). So the more you try to limit the current by increasing the >>>>>> resistance, you'd also be lowering the VBUS voltage until eventually >>>>>> causing the Android to stop detecting the presence of a host. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't understand. Which voltage are you talking? The ioio is not >>>>>>> measuring its 5 volt supply voltage. I would not expect the ioio 5 volt >>>>>>> supply to drop a measurable amount in any case, regardless of load. The >>>>>>> variable resistor is setting a charge current *to* the Android, >>>>>>> therefore I would expect the Android supply voltage to raise...not >>>>>>> drop. >>>>>>> Is the Android monitoring it's own supply voltage? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 11:25:33 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much the voltage drops as result of different charge current >>>>>>>> limiting and how low the voltage can drop before the Android decides >>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>> not connected is totally device dependent. This is in general a total >>>>>>>> hack >>>>>>>> (which does work great in certain cases). The formal USB specification >>>>>>>> doesn't actually allow doing that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tried another board and got it working OK. At least now, it >>>>>>>>> recognizes the App is present. >>>>>>>>> The next problem is to make the Android detect the board. How >>>>>>>>> much charging current does the Android need in order to detect that >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> connected to something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 12:58:24 PM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is supposed to be an exact OTG copy. Something is keeping it >>>>>>>>>> in the boot mode even after reset. Any ideas? Can hardware keep it >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> boot mode? BOOT is not being held low. I will probe HOST. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 11:01:57 AM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In what ways is your hardware different than the standard >>>>>>>>>>> IOIO-OTG? Is it possible that for some reason it thinks it is in >>>>>>>>>>> host mode? >>>>>>>>>>> Can you probe the HOST signal? >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 2, 2015 10:41 AM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It always says "Bootloader detected" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMinils /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121371 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --force write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Writing image... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [########################################] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Writing fingerprint... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Done. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 versions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121371 --reset versions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 2, 2015 at 10:33:11 AM UTC-7, Vic Wintriss >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 --reset write /Users/VicMini/Downloads/App-I >>>>>>>>>>>>> OIO0500.ioioapp >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Comparing fingerprints... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fingerprint match - skipping write. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121361 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It hangs up at this point and I have to exit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ^CVicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 8:48:49 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is only the bootloader. I would like to see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after a reset. That is, to get the "IOIO Application Detected" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Vic Wintriss <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ls /dev/tty.usb* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /dev/tty.usbmodem1a121311 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d895d272a4b98529693fcdc4f69eeb3c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121311 --reset versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 7:48:34 PM UTC-7, Ytai wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 *--reset * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OR: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty.usbmodem1a121321 fingerprint >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VicMacMini-2:Downloads VicMini$ ./ioiodude --port=/dev/tty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usbmodem1a121321 versions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOIO Bootloader detected. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware version: SPRK0020 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bootloader version: IOIO0401 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platform version: IOIO0030 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do I get out of the bootloader mode without changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the port so I can check to see what it says is loaded? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 4:16:09 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What bootloader did you put on it? Was it able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly talk to IOIODude? What app did you install? 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blinks doesn't mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything... Possibly corrupt firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 4:13 PM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually it blinks 5 times...only when the usb cable is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to a phone. Any idea what that means? The boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pin is not being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 2:24:55 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That means that you're in bootloader mode. This will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen when you power on with the boot pin held low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015 1:22 PM, "Vic Wintriss" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I power on, the LED blinks 3 times. Is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal operation? I think that I have IOIO0500 installed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:41:06 AM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HOST signal is active high. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you say assert, do you mean assert high or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assert low? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 2:36:24 PM UTC-7, Ytai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The IOIO decides whether it should be host or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device based on whether the USBID pin is pulled low >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (host) or left floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (device). On the standard IOIO board this pin would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get pulled low by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either plugging in a USB micro A connector to the A/B >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socket or by forcing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it low using the on-board switch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the IOIO application firmware detects that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USBID is pulled low, it will assert the HOST signal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which will cause 5V to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be supplied on the VBUS rail. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got the boot loader flashed and am able to run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blink app...but having trouble with the Android >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging circuit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a detailed description of the Android >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging circuit including the operation of Q1, Q2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the VBUS and HOST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pins of the PIC? My new circuit implementation does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seem to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charging the Android properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:26:30 PM UTC-7, Vic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wintriss wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks…think I got it running with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pickit3…I’ll let you know. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:18 PM, Ytai Ben-Tsvi < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's not much to it. Get a PIC programmer, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a second IOIO as such. Flash the bootloader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> image that you can download >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the downloads page and finally use IOIODude as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual to flash the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application firmware. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's an example of how to do the second IOIO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUKAPP63QtU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Vic Wintriss < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just got my new VicsWagon boards back with PIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldered on the robot board with all ioio circuitry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the board, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the best instructions for flashing a boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loader and app firmware? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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