I started JAL one week ago and found everything to use it in the jallib package. I think a large community is better than a nice website and funlw65 gave me the minimum to start with JAL ( IDE and compiler version ). Maybe a website could be a show room of JAL projects but the use of a new set of tools is always hard and it is necessary to learn the langage. JALLIB is an easy to read library and well documented in the source. A web site could be a lost of time for system programmers and the "take it or leave it" of rob is my opinion. I plan to write a paper on JAL in Linux magazine, for me it is a very good alternative to C programing.
Jean-Pierre On 30 oct, 19:50, mattschinkel <[email protected]> wrote: > JAL is popular to us, but maybe not so much to others. > > We are in a way, in competition with C and other languages and ATMEL > who seem to be more popular then JALv2. > > These other languages are quite popular, but non of them have a decent > website with all documentation, many tutorials, contributer tools, > etc. (all organized in one place). > > This gives us an edge, and a chance to create something better then > they have. > > Matt. > > On Oct 30, 9:14 am, vasile surducan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Matt, > > > As you can see there is allways an "old boys" perspective and the "youth" > > perspective. > > It does not means one is better than other. Unfortunately the old boys have > > seen this struggle of organizing and advertizing since many years backward. > > > Contributors of free software have in common something special, however even > > the ferocious one will finally be defeated by his age, his business or just > > become boring. > > BTW, jal V2 is already a popular language, with or without this new face of > > webpage... so go forward exactly in the way you wish to, nobody will say no. > > > Vasile > > > On 10/30/09, mattschinkel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > jalv2 + jallib is a powerful software, I suggest we don't hold back. > > > We need to organize & advertize. This will greatly increase the number > > > of users and contributers, and with more contributers you get more > > > libs. Let's get to the next level whatever that is. Do you want jallib > > > & jalv2 to be a popular language? > > > > I wish for jalv2 + jallib to be popular so I get to have more fun with > > > more components and meet more friends, and hopefully some will be so > > > interested they will help jalv2 work with bigger better PIC's and > > > other microcontrollers. > > > > Rob, what may not seem important to you is quite important to others. > > > If it is not important now then when will it be important? > > > > What does everyone else think? nobody is speaking up. > > > > Matt. > > > > On Oct 29, 2:38 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi again, > > > > > Any thoughts on this ? Particularly, Rob, do you agree to move some > > > > important content to a website (and, using DITA, making available to any > > > > document). > > > > > I feel if we add a "marketing layer" around our work, we may get jalv2, > > > > jallib & friends one step further... > > > > > Please advise ! (Rob, and all of you of course) > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Seb > > > > > 2009/10/28 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > > > Actually, thet fact this page looks beautiful was kind of a joke. I > > > mostly > > > > > agree with you: content is more important than how it looks. But does > > > this > > > > > mean how it looks isn't important ? I'm sure you'd say "no, it's > > > important > > > > > too". > > > > > > As I understand, you don't think it's a priority, and there are more > > > urgent > > > > > things. Could you list some of them ? I can only see this servo > > > controller > > > > > :) We don't sell books, we don't sell anything in the sense of money, > > > but we > > > > > do sell our own dog food, and I think we're doing this very poorly. > > > This has > > > > > been confirmed by some users' feedback recently. > > > > > > That's why we need to organize documentation (doing this on jalliblog > > > was a > > > > > bad idea -- of mine :(), that's why we need to centralize content on a > > > > > website. And that website needs to be beautiful, it must be pleasant > > > > > to > > > > > visit it, so appearance serves content ! > > > > > > Now few more words about JSG to DITA conversion. If JSG is DITAfied > > > (...), > > > > > we'll be able to put in any books, any webpages, etc... That's mainly > > > why I > > > > > would like to DITAfy (...) it. The "cerise sur le gâteau" is this nice > > > > > webpage, that advertises how we write things, how normalized is our > > > work, > > > > > etc... A buildbot page will follow, as DITA & JAPP pages. This is > > > > > about > > > > > development, but it shows users how we develop, with which tools, > > > > > where > > > we > > > > > go, etc... This has to be showned on a dedicated website, not just > > > > > hide > > > on a > > > > > crappy google code wiki page. > > > > > > Now I understand you'd still like to see this page on GC. I'll look > > > > > for > > > a > > > > > way to convert DITA to GC wiki syntax (probably with an intermediary). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Seb > > > > > > 2009/10/28 Rob Hamerling <[email protected]> > > > > > >> Hi Seb, > > > > > >> Sebastien Lelong wrote: > > > > >> > Here's a first attempt: > > > > > >> >http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jsg > > > > > >> It look beautifuls indeed (not surprisingly!). > > > > > >> > (Rob, see how it shines ! Don't you think our JSG deserves a nice > > > > >> > website like this ? :)) > > > > > >> Well, of course you can be proud of the result, but ... > > > > > >> To me the contents of a book is much more valuable than the > > > appearance. > > > > >> I agree that a nice appearance of a book will be of influence on the > > > > >> selling results in a book shop, but we are not selling books. JSG is > > > > >> mandatory literature for a Jallib developer, so its appearance is not > > > so > > > > >> important. And there are more urgent things (than this discussion!). > > > > > >> Regards, Rob. > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Rob Hamerling, Vianen, NL (http://www.robh.nl/) > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sébastien Lelong > > > > >http://www.sirloon.net > > > > >http://sirbot.org > > > > > -- > > > > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org-Hidequoted text > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
