Indecently, thanks for introducing him to the Java police. They are
plentiful and always ready to put people in place for holding
unapproved opinions or thinking outside the Java box.

/Casper

On Sep 18, 8:15 pm, "Amarjeet Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I feel sorry for Allen, who had started this thread as an IDE recommendation
> question and sees this discussion going into the areas of native versus
> java...
>
> And he did mention that he was a beginner. Sure is a nice way to introduce
> him into the idiosyncrasies of java. Welcome Allen!
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I see no purpose in writing a new HTML renderer in Java. In fact, I see no
> > point in doing a new one in C or any other language given that WebKit and
> > Gecko (the renderer at the core of FireFox) exist. Making a new renderer is
> > an incredible amount of work that would serve little purpose. I *do* see
> > value in a webbrowser written in Java, but using one of those two 
> > renderers.-
> > Josh
>
> > On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Jess Holle wrote:
>
> >  I think the reason is largely historical at this point frankly.
>
> > I think one could *now* do a great Java in browser.  Java blew its chance
> > in this regard by not being ready when Sun attempted to do this and getting
> > a reputation as ill-suited for this.  Additionally many browsers were done
> > by communities that felt divorced from Java (prior to OpenJDK).
>
> > The issue is that no one wants to do a new browser now.  Everyone's
> > glomming onto WebKit, Mozilla, or Opera.
>
> > Casper Bang wrote:
>
> > Let's turn it on the head for a moment, whom of you are currently
> > reading this from HotJava or another Java based browser? Ok. And why
> > not?
>
> > /Casper
>
> > On Sep 18, 6:02 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> >  Ahhh the irony...a Java development environment that only works on one
> > platform.
>
> > On Sep 18, 11:26 am, "Viktor Klang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
>
> >  On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  out of curiosity, why does your app need 70 jars?
>
> >   70 jars of Java on the wall, 70 jars of Java.
> > Take one down and pass it around, 69 jars of Java on the wall.
>
> >   On Sep 18, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Amarjeet Singh wrote:
>
> >   I just tried this IDE and a couple of quick points:
>
> >   - No support for multiple source paths.
> > - No JUnit support. However, it does support ANT and hence JUnit tests
> > could be an ANT task.
> > - Quirks like, "one has to add each java jar file, individually from a
> > dialog box". I was trying to import about 70 jar files and I finally gave up
> > after adding 5 jars.
> > - No project types, except for a java application and a java applet. The
> > whole web has been left out.
> > - No import functionality from existing projects from a different IDE.
>
> >   It reminds me of the days when I was using Kawa, a native IDE for java.
>
> >   Just my thoughts. If you can extract speed out of it being a C++
> > application capable of running and compiling java, with not too many fancy
> > requirements around enterprise application development, then go ahead.
>
> >   Btw, have you tried Blue-J? Blue-J is primarily a java language teaching
> > IDE, but it sure should be capable of doing more.
>
> >   Regards
>
> >   Amarjeet
>
> >   On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:08 PM, allen cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> >    I'm a Java beginner and now sourcing a lightweight Java IDE for my
> > school projects. I used Eclipse before but it ran a bit slow on my 2
> > yrs old computer.
>
> >    Anyone has tried JCODER,http://www.jcoder.com.
>
> >    I'm using its Lite version and consider to switch to its full version.
>
> >    Appreciate your comments.
>
> >    --
> > Amarjeet Singh
> > Phone: +91-98712-76661
>
> >   --
> > Viktor Klang
> > Senior Systems Analyst
>
> --
> Amarjeet Singh
> Phone: +91-98712-76661
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