Hi there CKoerner You are correct that I do not have a lot of experience with RoR. The reason for that, and also the reason for my comments, is that I tried to use it on a system with an established database and things like compound primary keys, and did not have much luck at all. If you can code a completely fresh, normalized database for a new web app built with Ruby on Rails then I understand that ActiveRecord is great (although given those criteria I would actually rather go with Django's ORM which I find to be even nicer). However, in my daily life I have yet to work on a system that has a fresh green-fields database that I can keep completely normalized. Instead I tend to work with scientists and engineers who need something out of the database above the typical web app, and as a result we have to cater to that.
The "who uses RoR" was a humorous line (seriously - joke man) but I think that the little bit of truth in the joke is that after a very public hype-fest on RoR being "the way", some of the biggest examples have moved on. Odeo and Twitter were held up as definitive examples of RoR being the way, but the momentum seems to be shifting with Twitter (which is really what grew out of Odeo). Hulu is a great example of RoR usage, but if we want to get into examples of high-powered web sites using certain technologies, Java still shines pretty well (gmail/ google docs/wave anyone?). As several people have mentioned, respect is something that flows in both directions, and the Ruby and Rails community really shouldn't be throwing any stones about the lack of it. However, the simple truth from my point of view is that I don't use Ruby in my work or hobbies and I have no need to do so. I like the cleanliness of python and indeed the people I work with have recently switched from Ruby to Python for the wrapper scripts and batch jobs we write - people like it better because of the cleanliness of the code. Sorry that our viewpoints don't agree, but in the listener feedback episodes where we are asked for our opinions we are going to share them. Would you have preferred that we lied about using Ruby when we don't? How would that have benefited anyone? Cheers Dick On Jul 23, 7:06 pm, CKoerner <[email protected]> wrote: > I didn't care for the way ROR was treated (except for Tor's who's > actually worked with Ruby and worked with Rails). Hearing dispariging > dismissals of ActiveRecord by Dick who I believe has practically nil > experience with it ... seriously. ROR had alot of Hype but it proved > it was up to it and to laugh and ask "Who uses ROR anymore?" just > makes you sound like an idiot. > > Anytime you guys throw out Python its treated respectfully, and Ruby > is treated like a 'Red' headed step child. Whats the deal with the > bias? --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
