It all comes down to personal preference. I picked up Ruby a few years
ago and it was a real eye opener after doing thing the Java way for so
many years. I did a couple of RoR apps for personal use and it lived
up to the productivity claims. Also,as Martin Fowler points out, in
99% of DB backed web applications, the language performance is
irrelevant.  Recently, I had to do a project in Python and I loved
that too.

My "desert island" choice would be Ruby but only because I found it
first. It could have easily been Python. Groovy and Scala are very
cool too. There are things to be learned from all of these languages,
and each of them has made us rethink our preconceptions about Java and
programming in general.

On Jul 24, 10:18 pm, Josh Suereth <[email protected]> wrote:
> My opinion:
>
> I refuse to believe a language named after a snake could ever be better than
> a language named after a precious gemstone.  Of course, we're all using a
> language once named after a tree and now named after a beverage.
>
> What happened to acronyms and simple letters?
>
> In the future, all languages will be
> named<http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/zombie.html>after internet
> memes </>.
>
> - Josh
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Dick Wall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Christian
>
> > Yes - it does appear it was a bad week for that doesn't it. I will say
> > again that the listener feedback items in particular call for our
> > opinions and these are mine - if other people disagree with them
> > that's fine, but they are my opinions and when asked for them I will
> > share them. In particular, which two programming languages would you
> > chose is indeed a very personal choice. I am guessing that CKoener
> > probably wouldn't chose Python in his languages either :-).
>
> > I haven't learned ruby in depth primarily because I don't feel a need
> > to. Python always filled in the kind of things I would use ruby for,
> > and as I say I like the cleanliness of it. On the times I have delved
> > into ruby it doesn't seem to do anything that I can't do using python,
> > and I don't like the syntax as much. That's an opinion folks and it's
> > all mine, but it's at least honest.
>
> > I will point out that I am not sorry for having opinions, nor am I
> > sorry that others disagree with them :-). Everyone is entitled to
> > their own.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > dick
>
> > On Jul 24, 3:15 pm, Christian Catchpole <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > Poor Dick.  I find that just about everyone says something I disagree
> > > with every time they open their mouths. :)
>
> > > But it's an interesting discussion.  I was talking with some friends
> > > who are in the PHP kind of space.  I was explaining how Java has
> > > probably the most advanced JIT ever and was explaining why it's so
> > > freekin' fast these days.  This didn't seem to matter to them.  Hello
> > > world still used 30 meg to start.  And the criticism was that people
> > > generally write crap Java apps.
>
> > > We can't forget that many people experience java command on the
> > > console and large memory footprint (larger than what they expect for
> > > the app in question), applets and slow (historically) Swing interfaces
> > > that look weird.

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