On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Kirk <[email protected]> wrote: > it appears that Apache instead of trying to work with Oracle and engage with > them has decided to threaten to throw the toys out of the pram.
I would submit that Apache has been trying to work with Oracle and Sun for several years and the process has gained nothing. Maybe it's time for a different strategy. > That said, there are some radical elements in the ASF that seem to want to > bash Oracle (Sun) for the sake of bashing them. If you're going to make an accusation like that, you might want to back it up with some facts. > My conversation with those in Apache that I know was to ask the question, has > someone broken a legal agreement to which the answer from ASF's POV is yes. > But in reality, the question is answered with OpenJDK licensing. They can > fork OpenJDK and they are clear. No they can't. Apache cannot fork OpenJDK and release it under the Apache License. If we can't release it under the Apache License, what would be the point? > Yet the refuse due to some ideological position that was encouraged by IBM > (in their battle against Sun for things they didn't like). Ideological position? Encouraged by IBM? So, Apache's desire to release software that has no usage restrictions is an ideological position? If so, then it's a good ideological position to have, IMO. I don't think you can say Apache's position is unduly influenced by IBM. > Another point, if someone broke a legal agreement there are legal remedies. > Yet no one at ASF will stand up and say why after I don't know how many years > of whining about the problem, they haven't used any of those legal remedies. Right. We could risk the solvency of our entire foundation by suing a multi-national corporation with tons of legal muscle. The ASF has so far decided that this is not a course of action we should take. Greg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
