On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:13 AM, Greg Reddin wrote: > On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Kirk <[email protected]> wrote: >> it appears that Apache instead of trying to work with Oracle and engage with >> them has decided to threaten to throw the toys out of the pram. > > I would submit that Apache has been trying to work with Oracle and Sun > for several years and the process has gained nothing. Maybe it's time > for a different strategy.
Trying to work with or just crying foul if ASF doesn't get everything it's way? > >> That said, there are some radical elements in the ASF that seem to want to >> bash Oracle (Sun) for the sake of bashing them. > > If you're going to make an accusation like that, you might want to > back it up with some facts. It's my opinion that some people have continued to blog FUD even when clear statements of intent have been made. I see no rational reason for doing so unless one was just interested in creating more FUD. Others, not myself, have called them freetards.. > >> My conversation with those in Apache that I know was to ask the question, >> has someone broken a legal agreement to which the answer from ASF's POV is >> yes. But in reality, the question is answered with OpenJDK licensing. They >> can fork OpenJDK and they are clear. > > No they can't. Apache cannot fork OpenJDK and release it under the > Apache License. If we can't release it under the Apache License, what > would be the point? Well, it would be forked and you could do what you wanted and run a tck and not face field of use restrictions. > >> Yet the refuse due to some ideological position that was encouraged by IBM >> (in their battle against Sun for things they didn't like). > > Ideological position? Encouraged by IBM? So, Apache's desire to > release software that has no usage restrictions is an ideological > position? If so, then it's a good ideological position to have, IMO. I > don't think you can say Apache's position is unduly influenced by IBM. If ideology blocks perfectly acceptable solutions.... And the bit about IBM is from conversations with people inside IBM. > >> Another point, if someone broke a legal agreement there are legal remedies. >> Yet no one at ASF will stand up and say why after I don't know how many >> years of whining about the problem, they haven't used any of those legal >> remedies. > > Right. We could risk the solvency of our entire foundation by suing a > multi-national corporation with tons of legal muscle. The ASF has so > far decided that this is not a course of action we should take. Justice for the rich and not the right.. yeah? Regards, Kirk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
