Perhaps you need to ask the question "Why would programmers want to work for us?". If the answer is only money, you're going to get the usual crowd who got into programming because it looked like a good move financially, and you probably do need to reject most of those.
Can you make the answer something else? > have really good programmers gotten so vain that good money isn't enough but the project must also be interesting? It's probably more about having control of their projects. If your client dictates the programming language your company is probably a bottom feeder. Especially on the JVM, where there aren't any technical reasons to mandate Java without at least a discussion. On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Steel City Phantom <[email protected]>wrote: > I work out of Pittsburgh. we have two world class universities about a > half hour down the road. Carnegie Mellon University's computer science > department is one of the best in the world, and University of Pittsburgh > isn't shabby either. so i have to ask, where are all the good java > developers? > > we have been trying to staff out a project for 6 weeks now. every resume > we get is from people with 4-5 years experience. I do tech interviews on > them for the technologies we are using and its all the same, they have a > vague understanding of how to use the technologies (spring, hibernate, > struts, nothing major) work, but for my needs, that puts them in the class > of jr developer. i need senior guys that have done this already, lived the > learning curve, knows how to fix issues, knows how to squeeze every last bit > of functionality out of these technologies, and i can't find them. > > we are paying good market rates for these guys, so its not like we are > being cheap. i refuse to believe that Google swallowed all the good java > guys when they opened their development center here in Pittsburgh a few > years ago. > > its so bad that i had one candidate that i interviewed a few weeks ago. he > got irritated with me when i was drilling him on the technology. his > actually had the huevos to say to me "I have a masters degree from CMU in > computer science, i don't care what technology you are using, i can figure > it out and use it" to which i replied "that may be true, but that makes you > a junior developer in my eyes. as a senior developer, im not paying you to > figure it out, im paying you to step in and do it" he had 4 years > experience writing web pages for a marketing firm. why the recruiter even > thought he would pass the test is still beyond me. > > where have all the good guys gone? is a 9-10 year experienced very > seasoned java guy really demanding salaries north of 90K now or what? > > -- > You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
