On Aug 25, 11:20 am, Steel City Phantom <[email protected]> wrote: > I work out of Pittsburgh. we have two world class universities about a half > hour down the road. Carnegie Mellon University's computer science > department is one of the best in the world, and University of Pittsburgh > isn't shabby either. so i have to ask, where are all the good java > developers?
<snip> > > where have all the good guys gone? is a 9-10 year experienced very seasoned > java guy really demanding salaries north of 90K now or what? > I should hope so. Many people I know with *5* years of Java experience were getting close to that years ago. You may truly have been 'jr' people through, but it sounds more like people were more 'jr' for your particular environment. You may be overlooking some value that these people might bring in the future. If you project requirements change such that you need, for example, someone with SOLR experience, and one of these candidates had it, you'd be ahead of the game. You might even be 'jr' at SOLR in their eyes (actually, by your own definition, you would be). The "I can figure it out part" followed with "you're only jr - I'm not paying you to figure it out" is extremely short sighted, imo. Are you *never* having to learn anything new in your position? Nothing? If not, that's sad (and indicative that maybe many people wouldn't want to work there). And if you are, someone's paying *you* to figure it out, and you're being a bit hypocritical. The question to ask is "how quickly do I think this person can pick up new stuff?". If it's a few days to be minimally productive, then a few weeks to be contributing, that's acceptable in my view. If they have a track record of taking months to pick up any new tech, then yeah, maybe not a good fit. How much time have you wasted interviewing and looking for the 'perfect fit' vs going with a good candidate? Perfect is the enemy of the good. If all your projects are such that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're just going to be using Spring version X and Java version Y with no deviation or new requirements for the next Z years, I'm not sure many people would want to work there - certainly not for 90k. "we are paying good market rates for these guys". If people won't work for you for that rate, by definition you're not paying "market rate". *your* market may be different than the place on the other side of town for a variety of factors. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
