It's a very good initiative. The fact that the jenkins project is not an organization is a regular issue especially regarding third service accounts.But It's important that several people can access quickly the account and 'reset' the password in case of emergency. It regularly happen that community initiatives are blocked because one single person is not available for whatever the reason(timezone, vacation, ...).And we should try to avoid that situation as much as possible.
Would it be a good idea to create a private mailing list '[email protected] ci.org' for only 2-3 people and use that email for individual account if it's not possible to have an organisation account?So several people can be notified by any changes made to that account and we don't have to rely on only one person? If I understand correctly, service account means "one" person has access to the account subscription account means several people share the same account And we would go with the service account, right? --- -> gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 52210D3D --- On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, at 11:39 AM, arch wrote: > I would expect a confirmation letter. And It's better to record this > in wiki.> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 6:33 PM Oleg Nenashev > <[email protected]> wrote:>>> WeChat platform said I need submit the > permission of Jenkins >>> trademark.>> >> Then it would be better to get approval for it tomorrow. It is >> already in the agenda for the Governance meeting, so I do not expect >> it to be a problem to get approved.>> What is the form of approval you need >> to get? Would a link to >> https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Approved+Trademark+Usage do >> the job? Or do you need a kind of confirmation letter?>> >> BR, Oleg >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:11 AM arch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> There is still have a problem with the trademark. I want to use >>> Jenkins as the name of WeChat subscription account name. Do I still >>> need to request the trademark? Actually, I already met the issue. >>> WeChat platform said I need submit the permission of Jenkins >>> trademark.>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:26 AM arch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes, I prefer the service account at first. But this kind of >>>> account must base on a company entity. For now, the subscription >>>> account is ok.>>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 9:10 PM Oleg Nenashev >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:>>>>>> That said, where I disagree with >>>> Oleg in the email thread linked >>>>>> is that I don't think it's right that Alauda is tied to this >>>>>> account, or any other participant for that matter... I think it's >>>>>> great that Xiaojie is stepping up to the plate. All the powers to >>>>>> him!! IIUC, that's "subscription account" and not "service >>>>>> account.">>>>> >>>>> My suggestion was based on Rick's preference towards a "service >>>>> account" in the thread.>>>>> Personally I do not have any preference. >>>>> >>>>>> I want to register the account as an organization. But I need an >>>>>> organization name and code. Oleg told me that there is not a real >>>>>> entity for Jenkins. I also do some homework about this. So my >>>>>> advice is that we register this account as an individual>>>>> Perfectly >>>>>> fine with me >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Oleg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 6:39:37 AM UTC+3, Rick wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I totally agree with the idea that Jenkins WeChat running under >>>>>> the community organization. It's fair for every contributor. My >>>>>> dream is that let more and more people join Jenkins party. But I >>>>>> met some situations during the process.>>>>>> First, I probably must use >>>>>> a personal email to register. I need >>>>>> to receive a verification code to complete the form. But the >>>>>> contact email could be jenkins-chinese-localization- >>>>>> [email protected].>>>>>> Second, the subscription account may be the >>>>>> best solution. There >>>>>> are five types of WeChat Account Entity. They are government, >>>>>> media, company, individual and other organizations. I want to >>>>>> register the account as an organization. But I need an >>>>>> organization name and code. Oleg told me that there is not a real >>>>>> entity for Jenkins. I also do some homework about this. So my >>>>>> advice is that we register this account as an individual. More >>>>>> detail page is here >>>>>> https://mp.weixin.qq.com/acct/contractorpage?action=showreg&step=3&lang=zh_CN.>>>>>> >>>>>> It’s really great to get your support. I want to take the >>>>>> initiative. And I think the Chinese Localization SIG team members >>>>>> are happy to help the Jenkins WeChat. We have a regular video >>>>>> meeting. Every contributor could get the meeting time in the >>>>>> calendar https://jenkins.io/event-calendar/. This’s open for >>>>>> everyone.>>>>>> BTW, if there is no other concerns or questions. Once >>>>>> you think >>>>>> ok with my solution and advice, then I will begin my job.>>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Rick (Zhao Xiaojie) >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:22 AM Kohsuke Kawaguchi >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:>>>>>>> I'm really excited with the prospect of >>>>>> Jenkins project getting >>>>>>> WeChat presence. I've been to China a few times myself, I have >>>>>>> my own WeChat account, and I know how big and ubiquitous this is >>>>>>> over there.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, where I disagree with Oleg in the email thread linked >>>>>>> is that I don't think it's right that Alauda is tied to this >>>>>>> account, or any other participant for that matter. The idea of >>>>>>> this WeChat account is for it to be the "official" Jenkins >>>>>>> account on WeChat. Trademark sublicensing request is to allow >>>>>>> the requester to use the name in question for their purposes >>>>>>> outside official community activity.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the community's perspective, where this manifests as a >>>>>>> question is how to share the access to this account with others. >>>>>>> For example, what if Alauda moves on and stops engaging the >>>>>>> Jenkins community? What if it gets acquired? I'm not assuming >>>>>>> any malice or meaning to distrust anybody here, but it's a part >>>>>>> of the basic safe guards for shared community assets. This asset >>>>>>> is to be controlled by the community, not by Alauda --- I think >>>>>>> everyone agrees on that here, but let's be very clear about >>>>>>> that!>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the right thing to do is to setup an account that does >>>>>>> not require any company, Alauda or not, to proxy this. Then >>>>>>> provided that this is reasonably easily possible, this account >>>>>>> should be tied and owned by the email address of some community >>>>>>> team, say infra team or Chinese Localization SIG. Then when it >>>>>>> comes to the actual operation of this, I think it's great that >>>>>>> Xiaojie is stepping up to the plate. All the powers to him!! >>>>>>> IIUC, that's "subscription account" and not "service account.">>>>>>> >>>>>>> None of this should involve trademark sublicensing, because this >>>>>>> IS the official community effort whose authority is chained to >>>>>>> the existing governance structure.>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:22 AM arch <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>> On behalf on Alauda, I'd like to request the permission >>>>>>> to use >>>>>>>> the following name that uses 'Jenkins' in it: "Jenkins WeChat >>>>>>>> Account".>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WeChat is a very popular app in China. Most of the people have >>>>>>>> a WeChat account in here. So I thought it's a great place to >>>>>>>> help grow the Jenkins Community. We will post some events like >>>>>>>> JAM on it. And some articles (original or translated from >>>>>>>> jenkins.io) is helpful for many Jenkins users.>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find out more about discussing details in here: >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMM7nTGjLOg7m1uzXHxZaxTd4QFiRXjknBNOsegQ4JjTkkyH2g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> Best! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rick (Zhao Xiaojie) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>> Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from >>>>>>>> this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMM7nTFvfAKco%3DRxJ6jXCmwX39%2ByexfC1s8TZLwGSZ4dTLberQ%40mail.gmail.com[1].>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Kohsuke Kawaguchi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>> Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from >>>>>>> this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected].>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAN4CQ4xu0s7qMZUhx1LJrjKU5BtF2tc8kogsoE3K1e9fdxD6_w%40mail.gmail.com[2].>>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.>>>>> To unsubscribe from this >>>>> group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to [email protected].>>>>> To >>>>> view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/9fc4a631-95d6-46cc-8567-3a6e8709595e%40googlegroups.com[3].>>>>> >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>> the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.>>> To unsubscribe from this >>> topic, visit >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/jenkinsci-dev/UveOvVO-gwQ/unsubscribe.>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected].>>> To view this discussion on >>> the web visit >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMM7nTFa0vmONtxygeDvmE3cr7wZiK3sEAsH4bbpriCLvbGNoQ%40mail.gmail.com[4].>>> >>> >>> For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.>> To unsubscribe from this group and >> stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to [email protected].>> To view >> this discussion on the web visit >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPfivLDLaYZU9%2BGA%2BCaSZOZRDgGiExd2ZoQsYSOAiANYkv15Bg%40mail.gmail.com[5].>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Jenkins Developers" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop > receiving emails from it, > send an email to [email protected].> To view this > discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMM7nTE234B_4p3g4ponc9Tm5Gh0Cavd88iow%2Boh2fZvDdhDOg%40mail.gmail.com[6].> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 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