IBM and BEA have already been collaborating outside of the JCP on new standards. IBM already has OASIS.
Standards organizations are good, every company should have one or two. The truth of the matter is that IBM and Sun do not define standards, you and I do. Its only a standard if you believe in the legitimacy of the process. Microsoft has been known to call various Microsoft proprietary stuff "Standard" -- do you believe them? Personally, I can't wait to see the Java Communist Party kicked to the curb. (BTW none of these opinions represent my employer ;-) ) -Andy > From: Don Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Research Triangle Java User's Group mailing > list."<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:34:40 -0400 > To: "Research Triangle Java User's Group mailing list." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Juglist] Sun to open Java source for real? > > At 12:46 AM 6/4/2004, you wrote: > >> I agree with Phil's view. I work for IBM and our entire credibility is >> based on our support for standards, with Java being one of our major >> success stories and the foundation of WebSphere's success. We would be >> betraying our customers by forking Java. I think that open-sourcing Java >> is really more about freeing up the tight control that Sun still has over >> the technology development and allow the pace of innovation to >> increase. BTW, IBM's web services implementation did diverge from Axis, >> but then again Axis was not a standard. We support the relevant J2EE >> standards for web services, like JAX-RPC and JAXP that have a JSR >> associated with them. In this case we compete and innovate on our >> implementation, not on forking from standards. > > Oh IBM would not try this unless and until they could get BEA, Oracle and > HP to go along with a new proposed standard. They would announce it with > great fanfare. > > As a matter of fact there were reports that such a move was all ready to go > a couple of years ago, but cancelled at the last minute when Oracle pulled > out of the cabal (probably having had some long talks with Sun). > > I would not be at all surprised to see that tried again at any time (with > or without open-source Java). > > I'm not saying there would be anything wrong with it. Nothing lasts > forever.... > > > _______________________________________________ > Juglist mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://trijug.org/mailman/listinfo/juglist_trijug.org _______________________________________________ Juglist mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://trijug.org/mailman/listinfo/juglist_trijug.org
