IBM and BEA have already been collaborating outside of the JCP on new standards. IBM already has OASIS.
Standards organizations are good, every company should have one or two.
The truth of the matter is that IBM and Sun do not define standards, you and I do.
Oh I agree - I'm not the one who introduced "standards" into this discussion.
It's amazing how gullible the general user community, and most especially the press, is, that they will fall for all of these two or three-party "proposed standards," a lot of which are basically attempts to get around or marginalize the JCP, or simply to try to take over certain technical areas for a couple of companies.
Remember how Sun was purposefully excluded from WS/I? They were eventually let in after an outcry from the user community, which, naive as always, instantly bought into the WS/I (which started out as an attempt by IBM and Microsoft to take over Web Services by standardizing on Microsoft's confused flavor).. "Why can't they all just get along?" the editorials always say, as if that was anywhere on the priority list for most of these companies.
It's sort of funny because Microsoft has since spurned IBM for some of its further Web Services "standards." That may teach IBM not to try to get into bed with Microsoft.
Also, Microsoft has been burned by Web Services because Java has ended up doing a more convincing job that Microsoft in providing a usable implementation, so more companies are ending up using Java-based Web Services.
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