Hoi,
Sorry, I am fine with having a Northern Luri project. I would like it to be
started in Wikidata asap and I do want an external expert, I am happy when
one is suggested to us.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 1 May 2015 at 22:36, Oliver Stegen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry, Gerard, for probably annoying you but you're fine with *what*?
> Finding an outsider? Summarising N.Luri's progress for me?
>
>
> On 01-May-15 10:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> I am fine with it
> Gerard
>
> On 1 May 2015 at 20:52, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Good luck with finding one "outsider".
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/2015 11:12 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>> Idk, why you guys are ignoring then?
>>
>> On 5/1/2015 11:10 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>
>> If he has been contributing to the Northern Luri Wikipedia, he would not
>> be our preferred person to go to for verification. Verification should be
>> done by someone not connected to wikipedia, i.e. an outsider who could look
>> at the wiki articles through an unbiased lens.
>> And anyway, before we can take the step towards verification, we first
>> have to agree that Northern Luri Wikipedia has fulfilled all requirements
>> prior to the step of verification. I would hope that one of the LangCom
>> members could summarise Northern Luri's progress again for computationally
>> challenged folks like me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 01-May-15 7:01 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>> See here
>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SPQRobin#luri_lrc_verified_with_a_proffesor>,
>> it seems they have been trying to contact you guys for the verification.
>>
>> On 5/1/2015 8:25 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>
>> After I researched, I found a lot of articles around the Internet only
>> written in Persian by a person named Gholamreza Mehramooz (Persian: غلامرضا
>> مهرآموز, pronounced: [ɣolɒːmɾezɒː mehɾɒːmuːz
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Persian>) about Luri
>> languages. After I contacted Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor), it seems
>> like Mr. Mehramooz actually is a university professor and he has PhD, and
>> he has been contributing to Northern Luri Wikipedia under user name
>> User:Mehramooz, please contact him for the verification.
>>
>> On 4/28/2015 1:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>
>> Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the
>> requirements for leaving the incubator?
>> If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've
>> actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we
>> all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see
>> whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend
>> someone else to do so for us.
>>
>> Fwiw,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the
>> process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence
>> after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't
>> fall between the cracks?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We obviously discuss
>>> 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all
>>> 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already
>>> 3. if no, whom to contact.
>>> Then we contact people.
>>>
>>> 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of
>>>> this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert
>>>> testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri
>>>> Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps
>>>> to secure such testimony?
>>>>
>>>> A.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Reading an article does not make us an expert.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many
>>>>>> languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link
>>>>>> <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>,
>>>>>> you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the
>>>>>> main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri
>>>>>> (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said
>>>>>> "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these
>>>>>> dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and
>>>>>> "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri
>>>>>> (lrc)
>>>>>> dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and
>>>>>> "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> compares the example differences between these languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside
>>>>>> scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any
>>>>>> useful
>>>>>> bona-fide contacts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1>
>>>>>> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the
>>>>>> language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> see that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>> A longstanding requirement for any and all languages is that they
>>>>>> have to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that they are a language not a macro
>>>>>> language.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no such thing as they are a resources of world's
>>>>>>> languages, people are the resources and they only maintainer code, the
>>>>>>> unified codes that the world uses. Is there any confirmation of Luri
>>>>>>> Wikipedia yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>> Ethnologue is the maintainer of the ISO-639-3. As such they are an
>>>>>>> authority.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right, I can't trust a self verification too, but what do
>>>>>>>> you expect me do to?, you can probably find a lot of trustable
>>>>>>>> resources on
>>>>>>>> the Internet, I my self can't even trust ethnologue, because I found
>>>>>>>> unuseful information on it and I don't know where they come from, at
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> in Wikipedia, we have resources, I didn't expect that from you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is in this not an authority. It has never been. Again,
>>>>>>>> self certification does not work for me.. We have been hurt by that
>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 April 2015 at 00:03, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alright then, that's Northern Luri, fair enough, I didn't have
>>>>>>>>> any knowledge that there is a southern dialect of it and people of
>>>>>>>>> Kohgiluyeh and Boyerahmadi, and Yasuj speak that, I only knew
>>>>>>>>> Lorestan, but
>>>>>>>>> per English wikipedia, they're dialects of Northern Luri which this
>>>>>>>>> wiki is
>>>>>>>>> written in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>> Check this out ... http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It rather complicates things... By the way self certification is
>>>>>>>>> not a good idea.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 22:45, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. 100%, as I live Iran and I know some parts of this
>>>>>>>>>> language, it is definitely Luri. Mohammad Mogoei (User:Mogoeilor)
>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>> active user of this project is from Lorestan so definitely he speaks
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> this language every day. In Iran it's called Luri, some people call
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> Lurish
>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish>
>>>>>>>>>> as the translation for English, per this
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc> the
>>>>>>>>>> language should be called Northern Luri, but none of it dialects are
>>>>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>>>>> Luri, so I call it Luri too. I have also submitted and now accepted a
>>>>>>>>>> ticket to CLDR to support this language. Other proposal of dialects
>>>>>>>>>> of this
>>>>>>>>>> language like Bakhtiari
>>>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari>
>>>>>>>>>> failed because of being a part of this language. Also they list of
>>>>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>>>>> I've just provided are the best of them as you can see there are no
>>>>>>>>>> Persian
>>>>>>>>>> words in them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/25/2015 12:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>>>>>>> Do we have confirmation that it is indeed Luri ?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Gerard
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 April 2015 at 20:42, Mjbmr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ask langcom members for approval of Luri Wikipedia,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here are some top articles I could list, but there are more of
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. استیو جابز
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Steve Jobs)
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. آلورت انیشتین
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. کلمبیا
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7> (
>>>>>>>>>>> Colombia)
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. شهید چمران
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran)
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. شایا عیلامی
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C>
>>>>>>>>>>> (List of rulers of Elam)
>>>>>>>>>>> 6. کارلوس فوئنتس
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Carlos Fuentes)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Analysis
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors>
>>>>>>>>>>> shows that this project has enough users and most of mediawiki
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc>has
>>>>>>>>>>> been translated.
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