I propose to reject < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wikipedia_and_Wiktionary>, < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>, < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia> and < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>. The only reason given for deleting is that these projects are unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing that was shown, and per https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168764#3378717 and the page linked from there it seems that such a deletion would only cause unnecessary technical problems, especially if by chance one of them should be reopened.
2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]>: > Hi all, > > I have hereby closed the more than four years old BetaWikiversity merging > proposal on procedural grounds. As I wrote there < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_ > Wikiversity_to_Incubator> a new one can be opened that is a proper > proposal and more well-prepared, since the proposal itself remains valid > and has wide support. > > Regards, > Robin > > > 2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > >> Hoi, >> If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee is relevant >> separate from its role as the gatekeeper for new languages and projects, it >> would help when the name changes necessary to comply fully with standards >> is honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its longstanding wish >> for this to happen. >> >> Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the feasibility of >> merging has never been technically assessed as far as I am aware, There is >> a chance for templates existing in projects to interfere with existing >> stuff in the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens to the interwiki >> links. A long held wish is that Incubator is supported for its existing >> languages in Wikidata. My personal argument is that the links to all kinds >> of other statements represent links and information that could be in the >> stub for the article they are writing. >> >> Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like Moldovan have a >> long history. I do understand why the Language committee could play a role >> because it has always been fairly separate from what community members have >> for an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we may do something. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> To be honest, it is not the task of the language committee to kill of >>>> projects. At best we may "recommend". At that we strongly urge the >>>> Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that are incorrectly named. >>>> This does not happen as it does not have the needed priority. >>>> >>> >>> From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at present, a LangCom >>> recommendation is highly relevant, and where one exists it is AFAIK >>> followed. >>> >>> Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and discussing such >>> closures. >>> >>> I too encourage the committee to strongly urge closure+migration of Beta >>> Wikiversity, and deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt. >>> >>> If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure requests, it's absolutely >>> up to you to remove that from the LangCom charter and push back to the >>> community at large. But unless some other group takes up the role, that >>> limits the committee's ability to correct earlier decisions that didn't >>> work out. >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> >>> Also, there are always people who one way or another want the language >>>> committee to do whatever. That is fine but it does not mean that the >>>> language committee can do much more than its remit. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The community is getting impatient that LangCom is leaving so many >>>>> items in limbo, especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal. (See >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy >>>>> #This_is_not_working.) That proposal passed its fourth anniversary >>>>> in the last week! In April, you discussed this question, and seemed on the >>>>> verge of approving the closure—but then the discussion was stopped, and no >>>>> action was taken. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There are currently four proposals that have been open for two years >>>>> or longer, and another two that have been open for over a year. I strongly >>>>> urge you to take action at least on those, lest the community step in and >>>>> make its own decisions. As a reminder these are: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator >>>>> - Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and Wiktionary (two >>>>> separate proposals) (already closed and locked) >>>>> - Deletion of Marshallese projects (already closed and locked) >>>>> - Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian Wikibooks (two proposals) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd venture to say that there is no groundswell insisting on the >>>>> Marshallese, Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could easily close >>>>> those proposals as "not done" with little fanfare. The others I cannot >>>>> really comment on. >>>>> >>>>> Steven White (StevenJ81) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 >>> 4266 <+1%20617-529-4266> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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