As well as Venda Wikipedia 2 <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2> (Deletion), which I overlooked at first.
2017-07-21 0:23 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > With no further comments here about them, I have closed as unsuccessful: > Marshallese Wikipedia and Wiktionary (Deletion) > Afar Wikipedia, Wikibooks and Wiktionary (Deletion) > Hiri Motu Wikipedia (Deletion) > Albanian Wikinews (Closure) > > 2017-07-03 1:49 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > >> >> >> 2017-07-02 8:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: >> >>> If inactivity is not a valid reason, what *would* be? >>> I feel unable to make a decision or even just comment in the absence of >>> a standard list of criteria for closing a project. Probably such a list >>> exists, so if it does, please provide me with the link. Thanks. >>> >> >> We don't have such a list, only the relevant parts from the Closing >> Projects Policy: "A good reason should be given why it should be >> closed/deleted." - "Inactivity in itself is *no* valid reason; >> additional problems are." - Absence of content since the wiki's creation is >> a valid reason". >> IIRC, inactivity itself is defined as not a valid reason because of the >> rather good state of vandalism- and spam-prevention nowadays, which means >> that even an inactive wiki stays usable without much effort. Maybe >> SPQRobin remembers some more things about the background of it. >> >>> >>> On 02-Jul-17 01:45, MF-Warburg wrote: >>> >>> I also propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Albanian_Wikinews> as >>> inactivity is not a valid reason etc., as mentioned by most commenters on >>> the page as well. >>> >>> 2017-07-02 1:10 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> I propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wi >>>> kipedia_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia >>>> ,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia> and >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >>>> cts/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>. The only reason given for deleting >>>> is that these projects are unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing >>>> that was shown, and per https://phabricator.wikimedia. >>>> org/T168764#3378717 and the page linked from there it seems that such >>>> a deletion would only cause unnecessary technical problems, especially if >>>> by chance one of them should be reopened. >>>> >>>> 2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I have hereby closed the more than four years old BetaWikiversity >>>>> merging proposal on procedural grounds. As I wrote there < >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >>>>> cts/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator> a new one can be opened that >>>>> is a proper proposal and more well-prepared, since the proposal itself >>>>> remains valid and has wide support. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Robin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee is relevant >>>>>> separate from its role as the gatekeeper for new languages and projects, >>>>>> it >>>>>> would help when the name changes necessary to comply fully with standards >>>>>> is honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its longstanding wish >>>>>> for this to happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the >>>>>> feasibility of merging has never been technically assessed as far as I am >>>>>> aware, There is a chance for templates existing in projects to interfere >>>>>> with existing stuff in the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens >>>>>> to >>>>>> the interwiki links. A long held wish is that Incubator is supported for >>>>>> its existing languages in Wikidata. My personal argument is that the >>>>>> links >>>>>> to all kinds of other statements represent links and information that >>>>>> could >>>>>> be in the stub for the article they are writing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like Moldovan >>>>>> have a long history. I do understand why the Language committee could >>>>>> play >>>>>> a role because it has always been fairly separate from what community >>>>>> members have for an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we >>>>>> may >>>>>> do something. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> To be honest, it is not the task of the language committee to kill >>>>>>>> of projects. At best we may "recommend". At that we strongly urge the >>>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that are incorrectly >>>>>>>> named. >>>>>>>> This does not happen as it does not have the needed priority. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at present, a >>>>>>> LangCom recommendation is highly relevant, and where one exists it is >>>>>>> AFAIK >>>>>>> followed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and discussing such >>>>>>> closures. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I too encourage the committee to strongly urge closure+migration of >>>>>>> Beta Wikiversity, and deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure requests, it's >>>>>>> absolutely up to you to remove that from the LangCom charter and push >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> to the community at large. But unless some other group takes up the >>>>>>> role, >>>>>>> that limits the committee's ability to correct earlier decisions that >>>>>>> didn't work out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> SJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, there are always people who one way or another want the >>>>>>>> language committee to do whatever. That is fine but it does not mean >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the language committee can do much more than its remit. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The community is getting impatient that LangCom is leaving so many >>>>>>>>> items in limbo, especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal. (See >>>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy >>>>>>>>> #This_is_not_working.) That proposal passed its fourth >>>>>>>>> anniversary in the last week! In April, you discussed this question, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> seemed on the verge of approving the closure—but then the discussion >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> stopped, and no action was taken. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are currently four proposals that have been open for two >>>>>>>>> years or longer, and another two that have been open for over a year. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> strongly urge you to take action at least on those, lest the >>>>>>>>> community step >>>>>>>>> in and make its own decisions. As a reminder these are: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator >>>>>>>>> - Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and Wiktionary (two >>>>>>>>> separate proposals) (already closed and locked) >>>>>>>>> - Deletion of Marshallese projects (already closed and locked) >>>>>>>>> - Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian Wikibooks (two proposals) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd venture to say that there is no groundswell insisting on the >>>>>>>>> Marshallese, Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could easily >>>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>>> those proposals as "not done" with little fanfare. 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