2017-07-02 8:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > If inactivity is not a valid reason, what *would* be? > I feel unable to make a decision or even just comment in the absence of a > standard list of criteria for closing a project. Probably such a list > exists, so if it does, please provide me with the link. Thanks. >
We don't have such a list, only the relevant parts from the Closing Projects Policy: "A good reason should be given why it should be closed/deleted." - "Inactivity in itself is *no* valid reason; additional problems are." - Absence of content since the wiki's creation is a valid reason". IIRC, inactivity itself is defined as not a valid reason because of the rather good state of vandalism- and spam-prevention nowadays, which means that even an inactive wiki stays usable without much effort. Maybe SPQRobin remembers some more things about the background of it. > > On 02-Jul-17 01:45, MF-Warburg wrote: > > I also propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Albanian_Wikinews> as > inactivity is not a valid reason etc., as mentioned by most commenters on > the page as well. > > 2017-07-02 1:10 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > >> I propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_ >> Wikipedia_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia >> ,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia> and < >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >> cts/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>. The only reason given for deleting >> is that these projects are unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing >> that was shown, and per https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168764#3378717 >> and the page linked from there it seems that such a deletion would only >> cause unnecessary technical problems, especially if by chance one of them >> should be reopened. >> >> 2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]>: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have hereby closed the more than four years old BetaWikiversity >>> merging proposal on procedural grounds. As I wrote there < >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >>> cts/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator> a new one can be opened that is >>> a proper proposal and more well-prepared, since the proposal itself remains >>> valid and has wide support. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> 2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee is relevant >>>> separate from its role as the gatekeeper for new languages and projects, it >>>> would help when the name changes necessary to comply fully with standards >>>> is honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its longstanding wish >>>> for this to happen. >>>> >>>> Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the feasibility >>>> of merging has never been technically assessed as far as I am aware, There >>>> is a chance for templates existing in projects to interfere with existing >>>> stuff in the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens to the interwiki >>>> links. A long held wish is that Incubator is supported for its existing >>>> languages in Wikidata. My personal argument is that the links to all kinds >>>> of other statements represent links and information that could be in the >>>> stub for the article they are writing. >>>> >>>> Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like Moldovan have >>>> a long history. I do understand why the Language committee could play a >>>> role because it has always been fairly separate from what community members >>>> have for an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we may do >>>> something. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> To be honest, it is not the task of the language committee to kill of >>>>>> projects. At best we may "recommend". At that we strongly urge the >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that are incorrectly named. >>>>>> This does not happen as it does not have the needed priority. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at present, a >>>>> LangCom recommendation is highly relevant, and where one exists it is >>>>> AFAIK >>>>> followed. >>>>> >>>>> Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and discussing such >>>>> closures. >>>>> >>>>> I too encourage the committee to strongly urge closure+migration of >>>>> Beta Wikiversity, and deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt. >>>>> >>>>> If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure requests, it's >>>>> absolutely up to you to remove that from the LangCom charter and push back >>>>> to the community at large. But unless some other group takes up the role, >>>>> that limits the committee's ability to correct earlier decisions that >>>>> didn't work out. >>>>> >>>>> SJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, there are always people who one way or another want the language >>>>>> committee to do whatever. That is fine but it does not mean that the >>>>>> language committee can do much more than its remit. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> GerardM >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The community is getting impatient that LangCom is leaving so many >>>>>>> items in limbo, especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal. (See >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy >>>>>>> #This_is_not_working.) That proposal passed its fourth anniversary >>>>>>> in the last week! In April, you discussed this question, and seemed on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> verge of approving the closure—but then the discussion was stopped, and >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> action was taken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are currently four proposals that have been open for two years >>>>>>> or longer, and another two that have been open for over a year. I >>>>>>> strongly >>>>>>> urge you to take action at least on those, lest the community step in >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> make its own decisions. As a reminder these are: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator >>>>>>> - Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and Wiktionary (two >>>>>>> separate proposals) (already closed and locked) >>>>>>> - Deletion of Marshallese projects (already closed and locked) >>>>>>> - Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian Wikibooks (two proposals) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd venture to say that there is no groundswell insisting on the >>>>>>> Marshallese, Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could easily close >>>>>>> those proposals as "not done" with little fanfare. 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