If inactivity is not a valid reason, what *would* be?
I feel unable to make a decision or even just comment in the absence of
a standard list of criteria for closing a project. Probably such a list
exists, so if it does, please provide me with the link. Thanks.
On 02-Jul-17 01:45, MF-Warburg wrote:
I also propose to reject
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Albanian_Wikinews>
as inactivity is not a valid reason etc., as mentioned by most
commenters on the page as well.
2017-07-02 1:10 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I propose to reject
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wikipedia_and_Wiktionary
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wikipedia_and_Wiktionary>>,
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>>,
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia>>
and
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>>.
The only reason given for deleting is that these projects are
unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing that was shown,
and per https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168764#3378717
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168764#3378717> and the page
linked from there it seems that such a deletion would only cause
unnecessary technical problems, especially if by chance one of
them should be reopened.
2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Hi all,
I have hereby closed the more than four years old
BetaWikiversity merging proposal on procedural grounds. As I
wrote there
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator>>
a new one can be opened that is a proper proposal and more
well-prepared, since the proposal itself remains valid and has
wide support.
Regards,
Robin
2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
Hoi,
If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee
is relevant separate from its role as the gatekeeper for
new languages and projects, it would help when the name
changes necessary to comply fully with standards is
honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its
longstanding wish for this to happen.
Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the
feasibility of merging has never been technically assessed
as far as I am aware, There is a chance for templates
existing in projects to interfere with existing stuff in
the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens to the
interwiki links. A long held wish is that Incubator is
supported for its existing languages in Wikidata. My
personal argument is that the links to all kinds of other
statements represent links and information that could be
in the stub for the article they are writing.
Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like
Moldovan have a long history. I do understand why the
Language committee could play a role because it has always
been fairly separate from what community members have for
an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we may
do something.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hoi,
To be honest, it is not the task of the language
committee to kill of projects. At best we may
"recommend". At that we strongly urge the
Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that
are incorrectly named. This does not happen as it
does not have the needed priority.
From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at
present, a LangCom recommendation is highly relevant,
and where one exists it is AFAIK followed.
Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and
discussing such closures.
I too encourage the committee to strongly urge
closure+migration of Beta Wikiversity, and
deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt.
If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure
requests, it's absolutely up to you to remove that
from the LangCom charter and push back to the
community at large. But unless some other group takes
up the role, that limits the committee's ability to
correct earlier decisions that didn't work out.
SJ
Also, there are always people who one way or
another want the language committee to do
whatever. That is fine but it does not mean that
the language committee can do much more than its
remit.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The community is getting impatient that
LangCom is leaving so many items in limbo,
especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal.
(See
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy#This_is_not_working
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy#This_is_not_working>.)
That proposal passed its fourth anniversary
in the last week! In April, you discussed this
question, and seemed on the verge of approving
the closure—but then the discussion was
stopped, and no action was taken.
There are currently four proposals that have
been open for two years or longer, and another
two that have been open for over a year. I
strongly urge you to take action at least on
those, lest the community step in and make its
own decisions. As a reminder these are:
* Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator
* Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and
Wiktionary (two
separate proposals) (already closed and
locked)
* Deletion of Marshallese projects (already
closed and locked)
* Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian
Wikibooks (two proposals)
I'd venture to say that there is no
groundswell insisting on the Marshallese,
Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could
easily close those proposals as "not done"
with little fanfare. The others I cannot
really comment on.
Steven White (StevenJ81)
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