With no further comments here about them, I have closed as unsuccessful: Marshallese Wikipedia and Wiktionary (Deletion) Afar Wikipedia, Wikibooks and Wiktionary (Deletion) Hiri Motu Wikipedia (Deletion) Albanian Wikinews (Closure)
2017-07-03 1:49 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > > > 2017-07-02 8:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > >> If inactivity is not a valid reason, what *would* be? >> I feel unable to make a decision or even just comment in the absence of a >> standard list of criteria for closing a project. Probably such a list >> exists, so if it does, please provide me with the link. Thanks. >> > > We don't have such a list, only the relevant parts from the Closing > Projects Policy: "A good reason should be given why it should be > closed/deleted." - "Inactivity in itself is *no* valid reason; additional > problems are." - Absence of content since the wiki's creation is a valid > reason". > IIRC, inactivity itself is defined as not a valid reason because of the > rather good state of vandalism- and spam-prevention nowadays, which means > that even an inactive wiki stays usable without much effort. Maybe > SPQRobin remembers some more things about the background of it. > >> >> On 02-Jul-17 01:45, MF-Warburg wrote: >> >> I also propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Albanian_Wikinews> as >> inactivity is not a valid reason etc., as mentioned by most commenters on >> the page as well. >> >> 2017-07-02 1:10 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >> >>> I propose to reject <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Marshallese_Wi >>> kipedia_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Afar_Wikipedia >>> ,_Wikibooks_and_Wiktionary>, <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wi >>> ki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Deletion_of_Hiri_Motu_Wikipedia> and < >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >>> cts/Deletion_of_Venda_Wikipedia_2>. The only reason given for deleting >>> is that these projects are unlikely to be reopened. Not much value in doing >>> that was shown, and per https://phabricator.wikimedia. >>> org/T168764#3378717 and the page linked from there it seems that such a >>> deletion would only cause unnecessary technical problems, especially if by >>> chance one of them should be reopened. >>> >>> 2017-07-02 0:32 GMT+02:00 Robin Pepermans <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have hereby closed the more than four years old BetaWikiversity >>>> merging proposal on procedural grounds. As I wrote there < >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_proje >>>> cts/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator> a new one can be opened that >>>> is a proper proposal and more well-prepared, since the proposal itself >>>> remains valid and has wide support. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Robin >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-07-01 8:24 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> If the WMF is of the opinion that the Language committee is relevant >>>>> separate from its role as the gatekeeper for new languages and projects, >>>>> it >>>>> would help when the name changes necessary to comply fully with standards >>>>> is honoured. The language committee is unanimous in its longstanding wish >>>>> for this to happen. >>>>> >>>>> Another aspect of the deletion etc of projects is that the feasibility >>>>> of merging has never been technically assessed as far as I am aware, There >>>>> is a chance for templates existing in projects to interfere with existing >>>>> stuff in the Incubator. It is also not clear what happens to the interwiki >>>>> links. A long held wish is that Incubator is supported for its existing >>>>> languages in Wikidata. My personal argument is that the links to all kinds >>>>> of other statements represent links and information that could be in the >>>>> stub for the article they are writing. >>>>> >>>>> Many of the arguments about the deletion of projects like Moldovan >>>>> have a long history. I do understand why the Language committee could play >>>>> a role because it has always been fairly separate from what community >>>>> members have for an opinion. When other members of the LC chime in, we >>>>> may >>>>> do something. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 1 July 2017 at 05:13, Samuel Klein <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> To be honest, it is not the task of the language committee to kill >>>>>>> of projects. At best we may "recommend". At that we strongly urge the >>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation to rename a few projects that are incorrectly >>>>>>> named. >>>>>>> This does not happen as it does not have the needed priority. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From the perspective of the WMF and the community, at present, a >>>>>> LangCom recommendation is highly relevant, and where one exists it is >>>>>> AFAIK >>>>>> followed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moreover, there is no other forum for proposing and discussing such >>>>>> closures. >>>>>> >>>>>> I too encourage the committee to strongly urge closure+migration of >>>>>> Beta Wikiversity, and deletion+archival-migration? of Moldovan WP/Wikt. >>>>>> >>>>>> If LangCom does not *wish* to process closure requests, it's >>>>>> absolutely up to you to remove that from the LangCom charter and push >>>>>> back >>>>>> to the community at large. But unless some other group takes up the >>>>>> role, >>>>>> that limits the committee's ability to correct earlier decisions that >>>>>> didn't work out. >>>>>> >>>>>> SJ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, there are always people who one way or another want the >>>>>>> language committee to do whatever. That is fine but it does not mean >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> the language committee can do much more than its remit. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 June 2017 at 18:38, Steven White <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The community is getting impatient that LangCom is leaving so many >>>>>>>> items in limbo, especially the Beta Wikiversity proposal. (See >>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Closing_projects_policy >>>>>>>> #This_is_not_working.) That proposal passed its fourth >>>>>>>> anniversary in the last week! In April, you discussed this question, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> seemed on the verge of approving the closure—but then the discussion >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> stopped, and no action was taken. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are currently four proposals that have been open for two >>>>>>>> years or longer, and another two that have been open for over a year. I >>>>>>>> strongly urge you to take action at least on those, lest the community >>>>>>>> step >>>>>>>> in and make its own decisions. As a reminder these are: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Move Beta Wikiversity to Incubator >>>>>>>> - Deletion of Moldovan WIkipedia and Wiktionary (two >>>>>>>> separate proposals) (already closed and locked) >>>>>>>> - Deletion of Marshallese projects (already closed and locked) >>>>>>>> - Closure of Limburgish and Bosnian Wikibooks (two proposals) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd venture to say that there is no groundswell insisting on the >>>>>>>> Marshallese, Limburgish or Bosnian proposals, and you could easily >>>>>>>> close >>>>>>>> those proposals as "not done" with little fanfare. 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