I hadn't heard of all that Malthusian stuff before. That is pretty... ominous. I'll have to think about that.
By the way, have you ever heard of CreateDebate.com? It's a pretty good site for debating stuff. You might want to check it out. Quality can be a spotty... but I enjoy it. On Nov 12, 8:10 am, "Edward K. Ream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Jesse Aldridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps the problem is that these organizations are run by ivory tower > > intellectuals > > I doubt this characterization applies to all. > > > And do we not have control over society? > > We have some control, but not total control. In some situations, > individuals (leaders) make a huge difference; in others, they get > swept along in unstoppable tides. > > > Have you ever tried to change it? I mean *really* tried? > > No. I don't see a way to make this project possible. And I like my > life as it is. > > > First, there's always colonizing space, isn't there? > > Those who want to colonize Mars must explain why colonizing Mars would > be easier than colonizing the Gobi Desert. Colonizing space, say at > the Lagrangian points between the earth and the moon is intriguing, > but far more difficult than solving earth's problems on earth. > > It would be tragic to ruin the earth on the preposterous assumption > that we could easily move somewhere else. Earth is, by far, the most > hospitable environment for life anywhere within a light year of us. > We ruin earth; we ruin ourselves. > > > Second, "negative growth in population" sound like one hell of euphemism. :) > > People do tend to object to any notion that more people might not be a > good thing. At the same time, they deny the essential aspects of > Malthusian theory. Before you dismiss that theory, you must > understand that denying it implies denying Darwinian evolution, and > denying Darwin's theory marks one as an intellectual incompetent. > > The essential point is that growth will *inevitably* run up to limits > that will curtail that growth in extremely nasty ways. There is no > way to twist around that inconvenient truth. It is clear to me that > we humans are already *way* past the point of sustainability. The > mass extinction of species caused by habitat destruction is proof > enough. > > > I guess the key is somehow obtaining enough evidence and presenting it > > in such a way that people cannot effectively dispute it. > > People effectively dispute the existence of the Holocaust, evolution, > global warming, and many other indisputable facts. We've still got > bozos who believe abstinence is an effective birth control measure for > teenagers. One of them is in the White House, and has, for the last 8 > years, limited the world-wide distribution of condoms. > > Edward --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
