This is the whole issue: Is the physical work worth more than thinking or doing deals? The same? You claim that the guy who does the thinking deserves to get more. This means that the worker's effort in building the house is worth less than the guy's who did not lift a finger doing the construction job. Is it just? Anna
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... Nobody is being "duped" or unfairly taken advantage of in your example. The person who takes the risks deserves the rewards. The person who built the contractor company with his own money deserves the profits. The person who agrees to take a job for $10/hr is agreeing that this is the value of his labor. He isn't being lied to about the job conditions, or what would be expected of him. He voluntarily takes the position for the agreed upon sum. How much money the contractor collects for the job is irrelevant to the amount the worker is paid. The money would fairly be divided by giving him $10/hr and for the contractor to keep $40/hr for his labor. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good question, what is an exploitation then? > I would say robbing others of their honest pay for an honest effort, or duping less privileged into accepting a deal which will rob him of what is owned them fair and square. But, what is fair and square? > Example: two men seek work. They decide to form a contractor team. One seeks the contracts, the other does the physical job. > The guy who seeks contracts charges 50 dollars per foot of a finished home. But since the ongoing rate for a physical work is 10 dollars , this is how much he will pay his partner/worker himself taking the rest. > How do you think the money should be divided? > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M.A. Johnson > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > Anna > Financial competition fosters greed and > exploitation. Show me one example where > it does not. > MJ > What is 'greed'? > In a mutual contract, who is 'exploited'? > > Anna > Capitalism on the other hand thrives on these traits. But > it does not mean that the results can be positive. Financial > competition without a sense of inner justice must always > end in violence. To remedy, you need the laws. But... when > you introduce too many laws, it no longer is libertarian, is it? > > MJ > When you introduce laws (Government intervention), it is > no longer Capitalism, but instead another variant of > Socialism. > > Regard$, > --MJ > > There is simply no other choice than this: either > abstain from interference in the free play of the > market, or to delegate the entire management of > production and distribution to the government. > Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no > middle way. -- Ludwig von Mises > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government strategy Libertarian party E government procurement ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
