Is Paul allowing for property owners to secede? If not this is just going around in circles, he is not showing any reasonable arguments for his conclusions if he does not allow for secession. THe ruling class weither they be the few or a majority use similar agruments that is " We rule because we say so and we do not have to give a good reason, so do what you are told and shut up". Sponner had a good reply to that which was brought home in the old saying " what goes around comes around".--- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Wrong. In otherwords the property you pay for, have the reciept and > > deed for is yours alone and I have no claim to it, but if you want to > > bring that property across my nations borders, you must pay for the > > PRIVILEGE to do so. Your property rights DO NOT entitle you to bring > > your goods across national borders. > > Then prove it. Offer a logical argument. Just because you "say it is so" is not proof or a logical argument. > > > No matter who you bought it from, who you negotiated the price with, > > whom you purchased it from, etc. you DO NOT have the right to > > transport those goods across national borders. You may have this > > PRIVILEGE if you choose to pay for it. And this has nothing to do > > whatsoever with your ownership of those goods and does not > > infringe on your ownership rights in even the slightest way. > > Since you have never offered any thing aside from "because I say it is so", I am free to reject this irrational diatribe. > > > If you buy something online, you often have to pay for shipping costs. > > Does this mean they're infringing on your ownership of the item? Not > > at all. Shipping costs are unrelated to the cost of the item itself > > and do not effect your ownership of the goods. > > No, not always. Some times the seller pays, or it is shared. But that is between myself and the seller. The government is not properly involved. The same as when I move my goods across my property and across those imaginary lines. > > > I have never said the Constitution gives me the right to infringe on > > your property or your rights and I've never suggested that anyone > > should infringe on your property or rights. I've only stated the FACT > > that tariffs do not infringe upon your property or your rights, > > and in fact have nothing to do with your ownership or rights. > > That it is a libertarian stance to do this is not a fact. The fact is your position is that of an authoritarian. And is in no way libertarian. If it is I invite you to try and prove it. With evidence, logic or proof. > > > You have claimed a right you do not have. You have suggested that by > > buying property, you are magically given carte blanche to take your > > goods into any country on the globe to do with them as you please > > regardless of whether the people of that country want you there or > > not. This is obviously not the case. > > I am saying that it is an act of aggression to interfere with that right. I have proven over and over again that it is an act of aggression and you have stated your support for tariffs. You there for support aggression and theft. Either you do not support aggression or you do support tariffs. Which is it? Moving my goods across my property (imaginary lines for borders don't count) is my right. If I own property across one of these lines, I have the right to move that property as I please. > > Here are some examples where you philosophy falls short and actual libertarianism does not. > > If I buy goods and move them into my country with the intent of personal use and subsequent to that I receive an offer that is just to good to pass up, what then? > > If I buy lemon trees in a foreign country and plant them and then start selling lemon aid, is the lemon aid subject to tariff? The lemons? The trees? > > BWS >
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