, I did not make any promises, the federal government did, I was not
alive then, my great grandparents where alive durning the last major
agrrement with the tribe in the early 1900s but they had very little
say so with what was decided in DC and I probally have even less say
so today but I will call Zack WAmp my Congressman for the 3rd
district in Tennessee and try to call Senators Frisk and Alexander to
tell them the government must live up to its agreement with the
people at White Mesa.Not knowing the deatils of course but personally
I think it would probably be better to give money directly to tribal
members for the governments promise rather than programs supplied by
the government or charity group, Maybe as much as 1 million dollars
each, if there are 2,000 members that is 2 billion dollars (I Think
the government has enough assets to pay
that).
One possible thing I think the tribe may need is legal help to
carry out lawsuits. I think some of the wealthy tribes can help with
the expense there, Vine Deloria jr and Clifford Lytle in their book
American Indians, American Justice mentions a couple of Indian legal
aid groups which might provide basic research and maybe even help
with all the legal work but it may pay to go with a trial lawyer law
firm that has won several cases which may be willing to either go pro
bono or cut their fee if they win, even if they only get 500
million , cutting the fee from the usual 30% to 40% down to only
10% would still give the firm 50 million dollars, that would leave
225,000 dollars for each tribal member, even if they put that in an
interest bearing account drawing 5% each would get 11,250 dollars or
45,000 for a family of 4 which is still below the median income level
for a family of 4 but is still 2.5 times the poverty level. if they
could get the 2 billion a 10% fee would give the firm 200 million
dollars, the tribe 1.8
billion..
.--- In [email protected], "John Stroebel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Terry, I didn't say that you intended that. In fact Mark is the one
with
> that brilliant suggestion, not you.
>
> What DO I want to see happen? Well, how about we don't take a penny
from the
> mouths of anyone. How about we just keep our promises. I think we
should
> find the funding from money about to allocated from say the billion
a week
> spent in Iraq. Or by having the money actually SENT applied TO the
people of
> White Mesa's best interest. Or we could perhaps build one less
aircraft
> carrier. Any one of those things would fund the guarantees to the
White Mesa
> Ute for a few hundred years.
>
> If we REALLY want to do something, we can fund them for 50 more
years and
> put some money into real TRAINING and provide OPPORTUNITIES. See,
these
> people aren't beaten yet, they DO step up when the opportunity
presents
> itself. So say we set them up in a business producing ANYTHING the
> government buys...and then, instead of letting Halliburten provide
that at a
> price set by HALLIBURTEN, we let White Mesa take a shot at the bid
and give
> it to them if it is less. That way we all come out ahead.
>
> How about the government requires Utah to spend the federal money
> appropriated for public transportation to use it FOR public
> transportation...not to upgrade the buses in Salt Lake City or
Provo, but in
> the area with NO public transportation like the southeast portion
of the
> state? That way if people WANTED to get off the reservation and get
a job
> they could DO that!
>
> PROVIDE THE TRAINING, OPPORTUNITY AND THE MEANS AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE
> ADVANTAGE OF IT.
>
> Those are just a few ideas,
>
>
> On 6/27/06, terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > you are so wrong and you are making up crap about what I
wrote, I
> > do not want them go hungry, far from it, I want them to live long
and
> > prosper without some BIA snot telling them what to do , I agree
they
> > were screwed over they had a contract or it may be like a lot of
ways
> > the federal government the government took and gave the tribe no
> > choice and made promises they keep but still owe a debt, but you
> > still failed to answer my second question. How do you want the
> > government to pay the debt, do you want to take it out of the
mouths
> > of poor blacks, poor whites, poor Latinos, poor Indians from other
> > tribes that may not have reservation status? Do you want force the
> > innocent modest and middle income people to pay for it.--- In
> >
> > [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com>, "John
> > Stroebel" <john.stroebel@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > but what are you wanting the average taxpayer or taxpayer of
> > > > modest or little means or even the wealthy taxpayer who earned
> > his or
> > > > her money by honest non rent seeking means to do about it and
why
> > do
> > > > you want them to pay up if that is what you are wanting,
> > > >
> > >
> > > What I *want?* You seem to miss the big picture here. It is what
> > they are *
> > > owed*. There is a legally binding contract between them and the
> > Federal
> > > Government in place, *period*. THese people have nothing, and
you
> > want to
> > > take the food from them, too. Sorry. Your finely sharpened
sence of
> > > 'practicality' and opinions on right and wrong do not touch the
> > fact that
> > > this is *a legal contract*.
> > >
> > > If you have a problem with that, petition your federal reps.
They
> > will get
> > > to screwing these people again real soon I am sure anyway.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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