No, of White Mesa, the website said he was dead but it did not say how long, it said he was born well before the turn of the 20th century and remembered most of the treaty history. It appears the Mt Utes were forced to give up a lot of land in western CO. in the mining region, lot of gold, sliver and other minerals game out of that area I think. Hasn't oil came from that area and now maybe tarsands?--- In [email protected], "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unless you are talking abot the Billy Mike from the Ft Duchaine > Ute....northern Ute reservation. There is a person up there by the name, but > I do not know him. > > On 7/1/06, terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > John did you know Billy Mike or any of the other elders?--- In > > > > [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com>, "John > > Stroebel" <john.stroebel@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > *To be a member of the Libertarian Party, one must sign a > > > > pledge "I oppose > > > > the use of force or fraud to achieve social, economic, or > > political > > > > goals".* > > > > > > > > > Well allow me to ask you this Mr Candidate... > > > Isn't your loyalty oath in and of itself using force to reach a > > political > > > goal? > > > > > > And next...what happens when people refuse to sign your loyalty > > oath....are > > > they excluded from voting for a Libertarian Candidate? > > > > > > See, as far as I am concerned, this party politics garbage is part > > of what > > > is wrong with our system...and it is NOT written into our > > Constitution. I > > > personally vote for the PERSON not the PARTY. There are PLENTY of > > lazy fools > > > running for office, no one in particular referred to here, and > > there are > > > very very few patriotic, honest defenders of our Constitution > > running. > > > Eisenhower....proud honest man. Reagan, bought and paid for by big > > business. > > > You get the drift. > > > > > > So, tell me the answer to the dilemma...how does the pledge of > > loyalty you > > > promote work when people like me say that we don't need to sign > > squat in > > > order to vote for the person we choose? > > > > > > See, in the country I live in, we are FREE to vote however we > > please. > > > Republicans prove that by voting for criminals. Those criminals > > would take > > > away all our rights and ransom the country for their own profit. > > Now I hear > > > Libertarians require a signed statement. Does it end with 'Heil > > (insert the > > > name of your choice)'??? > > > > > > The way you describe things, it sounds 51% politics, 49% cult, > > leaning > > > toward cult. > > > > > > On 6/30/06, steven linnabary <linnabary51@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "allie rodgers" <alliepoetesswitch@<alliepoetesswitch% > > 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > im new to this group and debate but the statement here > > says "Good! > > > > Libertarianism is opposed to all gov welfare programs.Maybe it > > will > > > > stimulate more capitalistic enterprise." > > > > > > > > > > Does this mean that people who are down on their luck, shouldnt > > take > > > > gov. > > > > welfare programs?? Some people arent enterpreneur types and this > > just > > > > doesnt > > > > fit my belief system but wanted to understand more of what this > > means? > > > > > ALLIE > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be a member of the Libertarian Party, one must sign a > > pledge "I oppose > > > > the use of force or fraud to achieve social, economic, or > > political > > > > goals". > > > > > > > > Every plank of the LP Platform conforms to this axiom. > > > > > > > > Because of this, most of us believe that any money the government > > has was > > > > stolen from it's (rightful) original owners. This means that most > > > > government programs are immoral for this reason. > > > > > > > > In practice, does this mean that we oppose a persons right to > > reclaim what > > > > was stolen from him? For the most part, no. Because a person was > > forced at > > > > gunpoint to "donate" to the IRS (try not paying your taxes), that > > person > > > > should have the an equal right to try to get at least some of it > > back. > > > > Same > > > > goes for Social Security or most any other government subdivision. > > > > > > > > Much has been written on libertarianism far more eloquently than > > I can put > > > > it. My own favorite sites are www.fff.org , www.mises.org , > > > > www.antiwar.com > > > > . I hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > PEACE > > > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > > > (614) 891-8841 > > > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent > > revolution > > > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ******************************************************************* > > > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > > > > > It is time to do something about all this! > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > ******************************************************************* > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > It is time to do something about all this! > > ******************************************************************* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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