Even if all of Congress members were honest people under our present top down system the government would not be anywhere near reasonably effective.--- In [email protected], "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure, I can answer honestly. > > With THIS corrupt bunch in power, I'd say anything is possible. > Realistically, it is up to your Congressmen and Senators. You want to > control what hte government does in your name? Get on the horn. Get > involved. Take action. Or, whine and cry and bemoan the fact that you are > legally obliged to sit back and get nothing done. That treaty will stand > until Bush gets around to disolving it. Until then, all you can do is cry me > a river, cry over spilled milk, cry sour grapes. Period. > As for selling away all your rights, you have ALREADY lost your rights to > privacy, protection against illegal wiretaps, free speech and protection > against illegal seach and seizures. Did you make a peep??? I think not. Bush > has wiped his butt with that lil' document called the Constitution, and I'd > expect he will just keep on going till he is stopped. > He already has been granted authority to declare Martial Law without having > to consult Congress, thus suspending Government. He has been given the > authority to deploy Federal troops and command them above the State > Governors, thus enforsing Martial Law, and he has the databases on who are > the 'troublemakers'. Halliburten is building the prisons in the southwest > for 'illegal alians' aka you and me, so there is someplace to put those > arrested, and Congress ordered a 1.2 billion dollar plan to be developed to > deploy federal troops in the event 'bird flu' strikes...oh, that plan works > fine too for 'civil disorder. So your question; you may well be fucked my > friend, just like me. You are worried about the Ute receiving $400 a person? > You got bigger problems than that I am afraid. > > Now I have one for you.... You say... > > > > I don't have any problem with land that is owned by the public being > > turned > > over to the Ute, assuming the can make claim to it. Privately owned land > > is > > a different matter. > > > Really? Hows about you tell me WHY privately owned land is a different > story? I think the answer would be very entertaining. land is > > > On 6/28/06, Cory Nott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > <<And what is especially funny is, I do not hear *YOU* complaining about > > ALL > > THE THINGS I LISTED and *SOOOO many more!*>> > > > > Then you haven't been listening very well. I'm not terribly suprised, > > since > > you resort to using strawmen when your opinion is challenged. > > > > I don't have any problem with land that is owned by the public being > > turned > > over to the Ute, assuming the can make claim to it. Privately owned land > > is > > a different matter. > > > > > > >>Unless, that is, someone talks and lets the Government know that a > > signed > > >>contract is binding regardless of whether *YOU* were born when it was > > signed > > >>or not. > > > > So, if you believe that any contract signed by the Federal government is > > binding, does that mean the government can sign away all of my rights and > > all of my property and everything I will earn into perpetuity? Just how > > far > > can they go with this power? When does my moral obligation end? Does it > > end > > when you want it to end or is it a line in the sand? Can you answer > > honestly > > or will you build more strawmen to attack? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: > > [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com>]On > > Behalf Of John Stroebel > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:08 AM > > To: [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: Youthful Entrepreneurs > > > > And what is especially funny is, I do not hear *YOU* complaining about ALL > > THE THINGS I LISTED and *SOOOO many more!* > > > > But tell you what....how about you and I appeal to Congress. We offer this > > > > compromise: the Ute are left to fend for themselves, and the southern 1/2 > > of > > the State of Utah be returned to their ownership. Everything south of > > Provo > > should do the trick. The land granted to the US government and the State > > of > > Utah be returned to the Ute, especially the oil rich land presently being > > tapped and the coal deposits being mined, and the Government no longer > > needs > > to provide funds for food clothing shelter and fuel, be returned to the > > people of the Ute Nation. > > > > Sounds fair....you get less 'indebtedness', the Ute get billions of > > dollars > > of real estate returned to them you sleep more soundly. > > > > Unless, that is, someone talks and lets the Government know that a signed > > contract is binding regardless of whether *YOU* were born when it was > > signed > > or not. > > Oh....a clue...moral obligation and legal obligation....apples and > > oranges. > > > > indebtedness.....that is a good one. > > > > > > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > ******************************************************************* > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > It is time to do something about all this! > > ******************************************************************* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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