No it is not intiation of force, no one is forced to belong to the LP and a non LP member still can vote for a LIbertarian CAnadate in the general election. Actually I think the one primary list idea which may be a treferedum on the Oregon ballot would be a better idea and help take power away from parties especially the two big parties, I hope it wopuld force the parties to have their conventions before the primary thus losers could run as an independent but I think a party as a free association has a right to keep its politicans in check and it is a good idea to do so, it helps with their branded market appeal for the voter to know that a party will not tolerate a party cadiate or office holder doing certain things, it helps put politicans in their place, an open one list primary with the two with the most votes going to the general election would help put the parties in their place even the LP with its very small minority picking the parties presidential runner, a majority of party members or even a vast majority may have perfered one of the other guys over Badnarik with an open one list primary and the convention held before the primary the could have voted easily for one of the other two guys.--- In [email protected], "John Stroebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > *To be a member of the Libertarian Party, one must sign a pledge "I oppose > > the use of force or fraud to achieve social, economic, or political > > goals".* > > > Well allow me to ask you this Mr Candidate... > Isn't your loyalty oath in and of itself using force to reach a political > goal? > > And next...what happens when people refuse to sign your loyalty oath....are > they excluded from voting for a Libertarian Candidate? > > See, as far as I am concerned, this party politics garbage is part of what > is wrong with our system...and it is NOT written into our Constitution. I > personally vote for the PERSON not the PARTY. There are PLENTY of lazy fools > running for office, no one in particular referred to here, and there are > very very few patriotic, honest defenders of our Constitution running. > Eisenhower....proud honest man. Reagan, bought and paid for by big business. > You get the drift. > > So, tell me the answer to the dilemma...how does the pledge of loyalty you > promote work when people like me say that we don't need to sign squat in > order to vote for the person we choose? > > See, in the country I live in, we are FREE to vote however we please. > Republicans prove that by voting for criminals. Those criminals would take > away all our rights and ransom the country for their own profit. Now I hear > Libertarians require a signed statement. Does it end with 'Heil (insert the > name of your choice)'??? > > The way you describe things, it sounds 51% politics, 49% cult, leaning > toward cult. > > On 6/30/06, steven linnabary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "allie rodgers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<alliepoetesswitch% 40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > > im new to this group and debate but the statement here says "Good! > > Libertarianism is opposed to all gov welfare programs.Maybe it will > > stimulate more capitalistic enterprise." > > > > > > Does this mean that people who are down on their luck, shouldnt take > > gov. > > welfare programs?? Some people arent enterpreneur types and this just > > doesnt > > fit my belief system but wanted to understand more of what this means? > > > ALLIE > > > > > > > To be a member of the Libertarian Party, one must sign a pledge "I oppose > > the use of force or fraud to achieve social, economic, or political > > goals". > > > > Every plank of the LP Platform conforms to this axiom. > > > > Because of this, most of us believe that any money the government has was > > stolen from it's (rightful) original owners. This means that most > > government programs are immoral for this reason. > > > > In practice, does this mean that we oppose a persons right to reclaim what > > was stolen from him? For the most part, no. Because a person was forced at > > gunpoint to "donate" to the IRS (try not paying your taxes), that person > > should have the an equal right to try to get at least some of it back. > > Same > > goes for Social Security or most any other government subdivision. > > > > Much has been written on libertarianism far more eloquently than I can put > > it. My own favorite sites are www.fff.org , www.mises.org , > > www.antiwar.com > > . I hope this helps. > > > > > > PEACE > > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > (614) 891-8841 > > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > > > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution > > inevitable" John F. Kennedy > > > > > > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************* > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > ******************************************************************* > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > It is time to do something about all this! > > ******************************************************************* > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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