At 13:27 23.02.2001 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> This is coming from a person who wants to simultaneously give 90+ people
>> karma to the core components upon which everybody will be asked to depend.
>
>The problem was never that too many people have access to a
>component, but that too few people.
>
>How many commiters are in tomcat ? How many are actively doing changes ?
>Do we suffer from too many commiters ? I wish...
>
>What I am saying is that if a project depends on a component it should
>have a vote in the component evolution. If 90+ people have karma to a core
>component, maybe at least 5 will actually review the changes, and if 2
>projects depend on it maybe the changes will be more predictible and will
>require buy-in from all interested parties.
>
>IMHO we suffer from too small comunities and too little review ( and too
>much talk ) - that's what leads to incompatibilites ( and there is nothing
>wrong with changes - but with un-predictible changes at un-predictible
>moments ).
>
>
>> I can predict what will happen - each will quickly scarf away a binary
>> snapshot.
>
>That may happen as well - at least on the short term. But on the long term
>the components will stabilize and those working on the components will get
>the feedback that is needed.
>
>
>> At the core is a common fundamental issue: setting things up so that the
>> individual code bases can be independent of one another to the point where
>> they can tolerate changes gracefully. And the path to get there is to
>> build up both trust and value.
>
>Maybe. But right now we have to deal with the fact that everything changes
>too fast for most people to be able to track everything ( I can't
>). With 90+ commiters on shared components there may be hope that at least
>few are able to find the time to track it, and changes are at least
>coordinated with the people that are affected by the change.
I totally share your views although I do not have the hindsight to judge whether too
many committers lead to chaos. Regards, Ceki
ps: I will be away for two weeks with no access to a computer. Just to let you know...
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