Many of the trails you refer to were created by horses! We are still a community committed to ag.. and a rural lifestyle…that includes horses.
------ Sara Mattes > On Sep 2, 2023, at 1:25 PM, V Saleme <[email protected]> wrote: > > Scott- as a mountain biker in this town and elsewhere, I can’t tell you how > many doggie bags I’ve picked up, how many dogs I’ve been bitten by, just > recently in fact that drew blood from me, and how oblivious the owners are, > yet mountain bikers and are the ones who are singled out in many cases as we > navigate around the horse shit left on the trails we navigate through :-) > > Can’t make this up. > > On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 12:07 PM Scott Clary <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Spot on Nick! Like so many other mountain bikers from Lincoln, I advocate >> for us to be allowed on most trails in town. We ALL pay our Trail fees. >> >> This has been argued on this platform ad nauseam. The naysayers say mountain >> bikes damage trails, and they're operators are rude and disrespectful. I'm >> sure there are exceptions where this is true but in my humble opinion, those >> are exceptions. There are also exceptions where walkers, hikers, horseback >> Riders and dog walkers are rude and break the rules. I cannot tell you how >> many times per ride I stop to remove dog feces from the trail. Several years >> ago, an out of town dog walker had his dog off the leash and his dog came on >> our property and killed six of my daughters chickens and maimed four others >> in a matter of minutes. >> >> In my 25 years of residing in this town and having ridden on most every >> trail, I have never witnessed any rudeness by a biker and at most the worst >> damage I've seen is some tire ruts in the mud. Coming from an equestrian >> family, I love horses, but you want to talk about damage to Trails with a >> multi thousand pound animal with 6-in round hooves... >> >> During these 25 years of riding, skiing, snowshoeing and hiking Lincoln >> trails, I have had three rude encounters with walkers who gave me a hard >> time about riding my bike on the trails. Nothing rude or provoking on my >> part in any way as I always slow down or completely stop and give way to >> walkers and horses when on my bike. I would ask these people where they are >> from - one was from Lincoln, and I said I pay my trail fees just like you >> and the other two were from out of town and I said I pay property taxes so >> you can enjoy our trails. I understand that the RLF/LLCT play a big part. >> >> Bottom line, ALL of my mountain bike friends are incredibly respectful and >> diligent stewards of the trails and conservation land. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Scott Clary >> 617-968-5769 >> Oak Knoll >> >> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors >> >> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023, 8:38 AM Nick Maynard <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Building on Bob’s suggestion, currently cycling is officially prohibited on >>> the majority of Lincoln’s trails. Wouldn’t allowing bike riding on these >>> paths: >>> - provide alternate commuting/errand routes that are safe from cars for >>> adults and children? >>> - provide local cyclists with an option to road riding and thereby ever so >>> slightly reduce congestion. >>> - free local trail riders from the guilt/frustration they feel every time >>> they go out on the trails whether they are riding or not (what’s with all >>> the signs? No this, no that?) >>> - if you are vehemently opposed to it, please reconsider your assumptions >>> or the circumstances that lead to your opposition. All my trail >>> interactions over the last 19 years have been pleasant though one rarely >>> encounters other trail users. >>> >>> Nick Maynard >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:24 PM Bob Mason <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Anne, >>>> >>>> Roughly speaking I consider the “spine” of Lincoln the trail(s) that start >>>> at Rte 126, go towards and over the train tracks, along Farm Meadow >>>> (behind Lincoln Station), toward the schools and then to Sandy Pond Road. >>>> As roughly illustrated in the attached annotated map. >>>> >>>> I believe one important part of changing “car culture” is to get people of >>>> of their cars and consider biking or walking, even for errands to >>>> Donelans, going to school, etc. Regardless of the aspirational hope that >>>> drivers will change their behavior and be more aware of cyclists, I think >>>> we won’t get more cyclists on the road until we have dedicated, protected >>>> infrastructure for efficient travel. >>>> >>>> Personally, I think Lincoln would be a more enjoyable and desirable town >>>> if we could all get around without the need to be in a car. >>>> >>>> Having moved a few years ago from Weston Road to Old Concord Road, my >>>> relationship to the town has become much better for the simple fact I can >>>> walk on a sidewalk or ride my bike from my home to Codman Farm, Donelans, >>>> Twisted Tree and the Post Office. I wish many more of my fellow citizens >>>> could do so feeling safe and protected. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:37 PM Anne Warner <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> What is meant by "the trail that goes up the spine of Lincoln"? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:12 PM melinda bruno-smith >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> Yes, many roads in Lincoln are in dire need of repaving. >>>>>> >>>>>> Melinda >>>>>> From: Lincoln <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of V Saleme >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 10:30 AM >>>>>> To: Bob Mason <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>; Alida >>>>>> ZweidlerMcKay <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Bike lanes >>>>>> >>>>>> ….. which also implies that the majority of the roads in this town will >>>>>> have to be repaved first in order to accommodate- >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s important to note that many cyclists spend a great deal of time >>>>>> navigating around broken or missing pavement, well jutting out into >>>>>> traffic lanes as a result-it’s extremely dangerous. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vic >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 10:24 AM Bob Mason <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> Bob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with the sentiment that we need to change the cultural >>>>>> relationship between drivers, cyclists and pedestrians, but having >>>>>> dedicated infrastructure for cyclists/pedestrians is also a very >>>>>> important components of creating safe and accessible multi-modal >>>>>> transportation links. Hence dedicated bike lanes with physical barriers, >>>>>> rail trails, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> bob >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:57 AM Bob Kupperstein <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 9:44 AM Bob Mason <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> I’ve wondered and suggested to some that we consider enhancing the trail >>>>>> that goes up the spine of Lincoln so it can be used more by cyclists. >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s currently designated as a bike trail, but is really only suited for >>>>>> mountain biking. Such an infrastructure investment would allow greater >>>>>> connectivity, including to the schools with riders and walkers not even >>>>>> being close to a road. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob, I feel, as a cyclist, that this only avoids the growth that we need >>>>>> to take as a society - where we all really share the roads. >>>>>> >>>>>> We've been car-centric for so long, the mentality that only cars/trucks >>>>>> really belong on the road is hard to shake. But, we'll get there with >>>>>> more awareness. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 2:13 AM Alida ZweidlerMcKay via Lincoln >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> Amen to this: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> as a conscientious driver, I hate a day when all the cyclists are out >>>>>>>> - I pray my way through Lincoln and Concord. I wish they had dedicated >>>>>>>> bike lanes. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want bikes to be out on beautiful days in our gorgeous town. But I’m >>>>>> terrified to pass them and end up following forever until I feel like I >>>>>> can get around them safely. I’m sure I annoy both the cyclist and the >>>>>> cars behind me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bike lanes seem unlikely, given the land they require, but I sure wish >>>>>> we had them! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alida Zweidler-McKay >>>>>> 25 Birchwood >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Alida, I have to admit as a cyclist I get annoyed by cars that won't >>>>>> pass, though I know they're just trying to be careful. I also get very >>>>>> concerned when cars cross into the oncoming lane to pass - I've seen a >>>>>> number of close-calls when that happens. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suggest keeping in mind the 4' law/rule - if you're leaving 4' and >>>>>> driving within the speed limit, the cyclist should be/feel safe. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Anne Taubes Warner >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>-- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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