Gentlemen, Gentlemen....  lend me your ears.. (and some of your cranial 
nerve ending too)

I have done a bit of checking up on both of you....  So, as a "third 
party"  let it be stated that it is my belief that neither of you have a 
lack of intelligence!

In the area of electronics and engineering, it might surprise both of you, 
if you don't already know, of the competence of each!!

Steve, you have heard from this thread, things that you truly understand, 
but do not choose to expend your energy.   You clearly have a greater 
understanding of APRS than most.   Riley, you have a hunger for the 
"best".  Both of you together could address the "best possible".

Riley, why not accept Steve's encouragement and "guidance" in the nuances 
of a "kludged up" APRS, to develope  this "better" approach that you 
envision.....   This is what Steve has done, and I am certain that what he 
has ended up with is NOT his first, second and for sure, not his best idea 
of  how to do his adaptation of this system....   so....

Advance of the "race" has its roots in acceptance......    and hopefully 
before the promoters "pass on".      Most "purists and realists"   have a 
significant similarity......   LOOKING FOR THE 
BOUNDARIES!   So,,,,,  together.....  GO PUSH 
THEM......  Together.....   Riley,  encourage Steve to "open his mind" to 
mentor you on the realities of his experiences, and Steve, encourage Riley 
to maintain his enthusiastic drive to feel the joy of 
accomplishment.....   a successful step....  or leap.. into an improved 
system for all of us....  who may not know or care enough to appreciate 
your efforts...


CHARGE FORWARD.......    (but not at each other  ;-)

John, N4YXS
A nine digit mental midget
(a title duly earned by accidently shooting off one of my own fingers)



At 10:43 AM 4/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On 4/3/99 8:14 AM Riley Williams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>>If I could get hold of details of precicely what structure is used in
>>the messages/packets/datablocks/whatever-you-call-them that leave his
>>system and go out over the Internet or radio, and the meanings of any
>>special flags or fields therein, I could probably write the C code
>>based just on that. However, even that little information just isn't
>>available...
>>
>Sure it is. It is included in every copy of APRSdos as a set of 20 or 30
>text files, and available in html on the APRS virtual meeting
>http://www.aprs.net/vm/
>
>They aren't very organized or clear, but the information is there. I had
>to do it this way for my java version, from your last post you clear
>think you are a much better programmer than I, I'm sure you could do it.
>
>Steve K4HG

John Rauch
Orlando, Florida

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