Why are you CCing to the list private, completely off-topic messages? This is the second time you reply in the list messages I sent you privately. Do you want to be removed from the list? If that is your wish, just say so.
About Outlook, you could use netscape mailer, eudora, or whatever. No need to use free software if you don't feel the need. Use commercial software. But by saying "Outlook Express is a very good mail client" you show us very well what you understand about technology. If you want to discuss technology and peoples relation with it, I will gladly do it *off list*. On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > He hehehehehehe... > > > I was waiting for the Outlook Express argument... What can I say? Outlook > Express is a very good mail client and I like it very much... Surely more > than KMail or good old-bad Pine, the last is a thing from the past. And Mutt > is pretty boring too... > > > Massimo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roberto Jung Drebes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Massimo Scabbia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: domenica 21 ottobre 2001 6:28 > Subject: Re: [Linux-IrDA]just a thought > > > > There's no arguing with Outlook users. > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > > > hehehehehehehehehehehehehe... > > > > > > The truth is always �ainful especially for people that transform an OS in > a > > reason to live like many computer geeks... > > > > > > Regards > > > > Massimo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roberto Jung Drebes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Massimo Scabbia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: domenica 21 ottobre 2001 0:44 > > Subject: Re: [Linux-IrDA]just a thought > > > > > > > > You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. > > > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > > > > > Hi Erik! > > > > > > > > > >> Well, UNIX was a good command line OS, but now is time is over. We > all > > > need > > > >> gui to simplify our work, and it's not really important if it's > > > >> administrative work or office work, or better multimedia work. > > > > > > >A GUI to simplify my work? I'm currently writing a boot loader for > > > >StrongARM embedded boards. > > > > > > Yep, not really a creative work, something very boring... But I know: > > > someone have to do it... :-))) > > > I agree with you that a boring and stable Unix terminal is enough for > your > > > job. > > > > > > But often people do more creative things with computers, happily it's > not > > > 1980 anymore and happily we are not all Unix programmers! :-))) > > > > > > >No. He started Linux because: > > > > > > Well, never read that book but I'm quite sure the first reason was the > one > > I > > > said. What u say it come after it. > > > > > > >> And it still pay for > > > >> it. Also Linus still not pay his bills with Linux... :-))) > > > > > > >Oh yes he does. He's currently payed by Transmeta to work on Linux > > > >(among other things). > > > > > > Well, not: it is primary payed to work on that loosy project called > > > Transmeta processors, that are really weak hardware (I had one of those > > Sony > > > Vaio with them on board, so I know what I say). > > > He still do Linux like a game, and if u read the Linux kernel list u can > > > also read lots of complain about it... > > > > > > >Linux complicated? Linux is quite easy to understand because it behaves > > > >exactly the same as any other UNIX system. > > > > > > Well, you seems not understand that it is not 1980 anymore and that Unix > > is > > > interesting for very few people in this days, also for system > > administrators > > > and big company. Linux can be his modern version, but it just can, > becouse > > > it is not a professional OS, but it is what it is, a free toy for > > > programmers and power users. And it's ok with me, for real! > > > > > > > It takes some time to > > > >understand, especially if you're coming from Windows or MacOS, but > > > >that's more because of the difference in underlying concepts. > > > > > > LOL LOL LOL, my problem is not understanding it, I'm sure I use it as > good > > > as you do (I mean as a user, I'm not a programmer :-))). The problem is: > > it > > > is not powerful enough and simple enough to do nice and professional > > things > > > like image editing, DTP and many more client stuff. Gimp is not Adobe > > > Photoshop, but it's good enough and is FREE!!! So we can give it a try, > > but > > > when we do magazines (like I do professionaly), we need the > > professionality > > > of Photoshop. We need the professionality of a Windows or MAC OS! :-) > > > I mean, when we talk about free time and free stuff, Linux is OK like it > > > is!!! It's FREE, we can love that! > > > > > > >Linux buggy? > > > > > > Well, yes, Linux and his apps! Try KDE 2, Gnome 1.4, the PAN newsreader > > and > > > many many client apps that normal people use on a computer. Java is just > > > terrible looking under Linux gui and no Windows Media fomat, no Acrive X > > > :-(((((!!! > > > > > > I not talk about some nerd programmer (maybe like yourself, no offence > > > intended), I talk about people that use with satisfaction Windows or > MAC. > > > This is my point of view, I'm not interested in Unix console, but me and > > > many more like me are looking for an alternative to Windows. And Linux > it > > is > > > not. But it's FREE and I choose to learn it and use it (sometimes) way > > back > > > in... 1 9 9 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it well now, but I not have big > > pieces > > > of meat on my eyes like many of you guys... :-) > > > > > > All this thread started becouse someone say that IrDA under Linux is > > better > > > than IrDA under Windows and that's not true, this is something that > > probably > > > make laugh also the people that develop IrDA stack under Linux. > > > > > > But for me, it's ok, I like to use Linux sometimes becouse is free, I > know > > > it's not professional like Windows, but I NOT PAY FOR IT, it's MY CHOICE > > use > > > it, so everything is okie dokie... :-)))) > > > > > > > I've used a PC running linux-2.0.36 with 463 days of > > > >uptime. The machine was a log server for a complete UNIX network, > > > >processed about 10K of log lines per minute. At the same time it was > > > >also a public terminal for my group. Pity we moved to a different floor > > > >so I had so switch the machine off. Please point me to an NT machine > > > >with similar usage that has the same uptime. > > > > > > Yep, probably you are right. But this is something that not interested > > > someone like me that like to point his phone against is Wonderful top > > class > > > DELL Inspiron 8100 and make it work as fast as he can. And Windows do > the > > > job pretty okie! Do I have to explain that I had to use Linux IrDA stack > > in > > > the past becouse I not to had the Windows license for my laptop (yes I > buy > > > it with Red Hat on it becouse it was FREE)? Now I have Win 2000 license > on > > > this great new machine, so I can also not use Linux becouse I payed for > > the > > > best client OS in this world: Win 2000. > > > > > > >Linux full of problems? > > > > > > Yep, IRQ sharing, resource sharing, big IDE devices, weak file systems > > > support and many many many many many many more.... But it's free, and > it's > > > okie! We used at our own risk. > > > > > > >Nobody interested in solving problems? If you move to the linux-kernel > > > >mailing list, you'll find about 200 people (including Linus Torvalds) > > > >interested in solving problems, and indeed *solving* problems. > > > > > > Yep, solving a problem and broken another part of the OS... It's always > > like > > > that with Linux: broken something to fix something other... And they > also > > > not get along very well between them in this days, read the Alan Cox > diary > > > to learn more... :-((( > > > > > > >Quite a lot of people get payed to work on Linux or other open source > > > >software. > > > > > > I know, there are serious company like Red Hat or SuSE... > > > > > > >OK, so let's assume it's a real and professional OS. Let's just assume > > > >it for a moment, right? Now could you explain to me why: > > > >- Over 65% of all web servers use the freely available Apache web > > > > server running on UNIX systems (and 40% of those systems run Linux)? > > > > > > Becouse Apache is pretty good and it's FREE. I use Apache too for my > > little > > > web server! Tcp/IP under Linux is the only working thing of Linux OS.. > > :-))) > > > And it really work well! Obviously when u choose network hardware > > supported > > > with good drivers, another big Linux problem... Example: this XIRCOM > > cardbus > > > card in this wonderful Dell: kernel drivers go or not in Full Duplex > > > dependant on the version of the kernel (:-(((), Pcmcia project always > have > > a > > > driver that go in Full Duplex, but sadly it's a old and not very clean > > > driver... > > > > > > >- Over 99% of all DNS servers worldwide in use run BIND on UNIX > > > > systems? > > > > > > Yep, Unix/Linux networking thing is pretty good, and Linux is FREE!!! > LOL > > > LOL LOL > > > > > > >- Sendmail mail servers running on UNIX systems are still used to send > > > > the largest share of all mail send over the internet? > > > > > > Yep, sendmail is the standard becouse it is very bad (I hate that > program, > > > and I know it very well) but it run under Linux and it is free... :-)))) > > > Sendmail is comparable to people using Pine to handle e-mail... Nothing > is > > > old and boring like Pine... > > > > > > >- The Gartner group advises companies to stop using MS Internet > > > > Information Server and move to a better web server platform instead? > > > > > > Sorry, Never heard of them... > > > > > > >> We can say NT/2000/XP have lots of Unix related code: > > > >> yep it's true, but it's more user friendly, more solid, more well > > > supported, > > > > >more pleasure to use it. > > > > > > >User friendly? Not for me. > > > > > > Yes becouse you are a computer geek and what is friendly for normal > people > > > is not for computer geeks... But professional OS are not for computer > > geeks. > > > > > > > I hate those badly designed point and click > > > > > > You hate them? I LOVE IT!!!!! I want gui!!! I like windows and colourful > > > things!!! i play guitar, I record music on my various systems, I do DTP > > and > > > I love all that great gui's!!! :-))))) It's 2001 and not 1980!!! > > > > > > Computer geeks that think and act like they are/was in the past, were > the > > > problem also for Windows: Microsoft had lots of boring Unix programmers > > > writing code to wank on it ... LOL LOL LOL... > > > > > > But now nice, powerful code for normal people is there, and 2000/XP are > > very > > > very very good and built with solidness and stability and feel to > satisfy > > > everyone. They are professional OS! > > > > > > >Well supported? Not really. OK, you can ask MS for support, but this is > > > >only a "best effort" support for which you have to pay quite a lot of > > > >money. > > > > > > Good things cost money. And well, Windows 2000/XP need very less > support. > > It > > > usually work well first time! No problem at all. > > > > > > > Compare this with the amount of support you can get from the > > > >various Linux related mailing lists in which you usually get an answer > > > >to your question in less than a day. > > > > > > Yep, like myself in this list. I know, subscribers of this list not like > > > what I say, but no one say to me about the Maestro sound card problem > > > against the Linux IrDA stuff on modern Dell laptop. He he he, they not > > tell > > > it to me becouse also Brattli,, the main developer of the IrDA stuff > under > > > Linux, never know about it... :-(((((( > > > > > > But as I stated in another mail, it's okie... No one pay Brattli to > reply > > to > > > me or to learn things himself... It's Linux, it's free, it's fun!! :-))) > > > > > > >Pleasure to use? Not for me. > > > > > > But for me it is... Sooooo good when I use my Terratec RIAA equalizer to > > > transfer with few clicks my huge LP collection (I have 25,000 items!!!) > > on > > > CD! So good when I use Pro Tools to record my stuff with my heavy metal > > > guitars and my punky sythetizers!... > > > > > > >You are severely misguided. It's a well known fact that price is > > > >certainly *not* the same as quality. > > > > > > In this, and in many cases, yes it is without any doubt. > > > > > > >> Come on, be honest, how many times every person that really use a pc > > for > > > >> serious job think like that? > > > > > > >More often than you think, obviously. > > > > > > Yep, becouse I still use Linux for some things, like to route my Lan, to > > > make my personal newserver, to surf the net and handle my personal web > > > server (but WITHOUT JAVA becouse Java pages under Linux looks shtting... > > > :-((( > > > > > > About the Cd-ROM thing: I know very well how to SUID apps and make > groups > > > and stuff. But, well, I not like to use command lines to master my CD's, > I > > > like to be compared with that category of users you call dumb point and > > > click users! I LOVE POINT AND CLICK colourful windows! > > > > > > So, I want be able to use my fav gui apps under KDE and Gnome: really > > > impossibile, becouse Kde libs are not designed to work in SUID mode, try > > it > > > for yourself... Honestly, im tired to become a SU and write command line > > > things to master my CD's! So I buy and use cool Roxio software under > > Windows > > > XP. > > > > > > >You should read more about the UNIX philosophy. The reason you can't do > > > >that immediately in Linux is because you don't want all users to be > > > >able to screw up your system. > > > > > > Yeppa yeppa, I know all this things, but usually one single person use > his > > > system so it's pretty uunusefull for normal home users, but this is > > another > > > story. As I stated before, Linux is okie like this, everyone do what he > > want > > > with it, if it work it work, if it not work, it's FREE!!! we can fuck > > Linux > > > like it is our personal slut and complain about it... LOL LOL LOL LOL > LOL > > > LOL LOL :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > > (I love my sluts...) > > > > > > >I'm glad you like to learn things, but I think you should learn a lot > > > >more before you start giving unbalanced and uninformed critic on > > > >people. > > > > > > Sorry, but I have to repeat that probably I'm able to use Linux exactly > > like > > > yourself, and I can also use the Linux gui's at his best (hemmmm, for > what > > > his best is...) and probably you are not... LOL LOL LOL > > > > > > Ehmmm, little sentence just to be ON TOPIC: unloading the Maestro > drivers, > > > also my IrDA stack is finally working!!! But I prefer audio than IrDA: > > when > > > u use a FREE OS u have to choose what you wanna use, becouse no one can > > > guarantee everything is work together!!! And it's pretty okie, it's > FREE, > > I > > > not pay for it! > > > > > > Now I have to go out for the saturday night fever, but tomorrow I have > > > another step to make in my Linux life: the new STUPID device > organization > > on > > > new kernels. An automount function really really really painful... No > more > > > /dev/scd1, no more /dev/fd0 :-((((((((((((((((( but a new organization > of > > > the devices to learn, just to be able to mount my Modular Bay floppy > that > > > worked very well in the past with the /dev/hdc device!!! > > > Cooooooooollllllllll > > > It help to wake up my mind in my spare time... > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > > > PS: hehehehehe, you tryed to fool me, but I also send this on the > group... > > > Usually it is sooooo sleeping, it need some blood on it. Waiting for the > > > Andrew "pump up the blood over the IrDA Linux Stack", I try to make it a > > bit > > > more shake myself... LOL > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda > > > > > > > -- > > Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil > > http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ > > > > > > -- > Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil > http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ > > -- Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ _______________________________________________ Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda
