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I was waiting for the Outlook Express argument... What can I say? Outlook Express is a very good mail client and I like it very much... Surely more than KMail or good old-bad Pine, the last is a thing from the past. And Mutt is pretty boring too... Massimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Jung Drebes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Massimo Scabbia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: domenica 21 ottobre 2001 6:28 Subject: Re: [Linux-IrDA]just a thought There's no arguing with Outlook users. On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > hehehehehehehehehehehehehe... > > > The truth is always �ainful especially for people that transform an OS in a > reason to live like many computer geeks... > > > Regards > > Massimo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roberto Jung Drebes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Massimo Scabbia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: domenica 21 ottobre 2001 0:44 > Subject: Re: [Linux-IrDA]just a thought > > > > You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. > > On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > > > Hi Erik! > > > > > > >> Well, UNIX was a good command line OS, but now is time is over. We all > > need > > >> gui to simplify our work, and it's not really important if it's > > >> administrative work or office work, or better multimedia work. > > > > >A GUI to simplify my work? I'm currently writing a boot loader for > > >StrongARM embedded boards. > > > > Yep, not really a creative work, something very boring... But I know: > > someone have to do it... :-))) > > I agree with you that a boring and stable Unix terminal is enough for your > > job. > > > > But often people do more creative things with computers, happily it's not > > 1980 anymore and happily we are not all Unix programmers! :-))) > > > > >No. He started Linux because: > > > > Well, never read that book but I'm quite sure the first reason was the one > I > > said. What u say it come after it. > > > > >> And it still pay for > > >> it. Also Linus still not pay his bills with Linux... :-))) > > > > >Oh yes he does. He's currently payed by Transmeta to work on Linux > > >(among other things). > > > > Well, not: it is primary payed to work on that loosy project called > > Transmeta processors, that are really weak hardware (I had one of those > Sony > > Vaio with them on board, so I know what I say). > > He still do Linux like a game, and if u read the Linux kernel list u can > > also read lots of complain about it... > > > > >Linux complicated? Linux is quite easy to understand because it behaves > > >exactly the same as any other UNIX system. > > > > Well, you seems not understand that it is not 1980 anymore and that Unix > is > > interesting for very few people in this days, also for system > administrators > > and big company. Linux can be his modern version, but it just can, becouse > > it is not a professional OS, but it is what it is, a free toy for > > programmers and power users. And it's ok with me, for real! > > > > > It takes some time to > > >understand, especially if you're coming from Windows or MacOS, but > > >that's more because of the difference in underlying concepts. > > > > LOL LOL LOL, my problem is not understanding it, I'm sure I use it as good > > as you do (I mean as a user, I'm not a programmer :-))). The problem is: > it > > is not powerful enough and simple enough to do nice and professional > things > > like image editing, DTP and many more client stuff. Gimp is not Adobe > > Photoshop, but it's good enough and is FREE!!! So we can give it a try, > but > > when we do magazines (like I do professionaly), we need the > professionality > > of Photoshop. We need the professionality of a Windows or MAC OS! :-) > > I mean, when we talk about free time and free stuff, Linux is OK like it > > is!!! It's FREE, we can love that! > > > > >Linux buggy? > > > > Well, yes, Linux and his apps! Try KDE 2, Gnome 1.4, the PAN newsreader > and > > many many client apps that normal people use on a computer. Java is just > > terrible looking under Linux gui and no Windows Media fomat, no Acrive X > > :-(((((!!! > > > > I not talk about some nerd programmer (maybe like yourself, no offence > > intended), I talk about people that use with satisfaction Windows or MAC. > > This is my point of view, I'm not interested in Unix console, but me and > > many more like me are looking for an alternative to Windows. And Linux it > is > > not. But it's FREE and I choose to learn it and use it (sometimes) way > back > > in... 1 9 9 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it well now, but I not have big > pieces > > of meat on my eyes like many of you guys... :-) > > > > All this thread started becouse someone say that IrDA under Linux is > better > > than IrDA under Windows and that's not true, this is something that > probably > > make laugh also the people that develop IrDA stack under Linux. > > > > But for me, it's ok, I like to use Linux sometimes becouse is free, I know > > it's not professional like Windows, but I NOT PAY FOR IT, it's MY CHOICE > use > > it, so everything is okie dokie... :-)))) > > > > > I've used a PC running linux-2.0.36 with 463 days of > > >uptime. The machine was a log server for a complete UNIX network, > > >processed about 10K of log lines per minute. At the same time it was > > >also a public terminal for my group. Pity we moved to a different floor > > >so I had so switch the machine off. Please point me to an NT machine > > >with similar usage that has the same uptime. > > > > Yep, probably you are right. But this is something that not interested > > someone like me that like to point his phone against is Wonderful top > class > > DELL Inspiron 8100 and make it work as fast as he can. And Windows do the > > job pretty okie! Do I have to explain that I had to use Linux IrDA stack > in > > the past becouse I not to had the Windows license for my laptop (yes I buy > > it with Red Hat on it becouse it was FREE)? Now I have Win 2000 license on > > this great new machine, so I can also not use Linux becouse I payed for > the > > best client OS in this world: Win 2000. > > > > >Linux full of problems? > > > > Yep, IRQ sharing, resource sharing, big IDE devices, weak file systems > > support and many many many many many many more.... But it's free, and it's > > okie! We used at our own risk. > > > > >Nobody interested in solving problems? If you move to the linux-kernel > > >mailing list, you'll find about 200 people (including Linus Torvalds) > > >interested in solving problems, and indeed *solving* problems. > > > > Yep, solving a problem and broken another part of the OS... It's always > like > > that with Linux: broken something to fix something other... And they also > > not get along very well between them in this days, read the Alan Cox diary > > to learn more... :-((( > > > > >Quite a lot of people get payed to work on Linux or other open source > > >software. > > > > I know, there are serious company like Red Hat or SuSE... > > > > >OK, so let's assume it's a real and professional OS. Let's just assume > > >it for a moment, right? Now could you explain to me why: > > >- Over 65% of all web servers use the freely available Apache web > > > server running on UNIX systems (and 40% of those systems run Linux)? > > > > Becouse Apache is pretty good and it's FREE. I use Apache too for my > little > > web server! Tcp/IP under Linux is the only working thing of Linux OS.. > :-))) > > And it really work well! Obviously when u choose network hardware > supported > > with good drivers, another big Linux problem... Example: this XIRCOM > cardbus > > card in this wonderful Dell: kernel drivers go or not in Full Duplex > > dependant on the version of the kernel (:-(((), Pcmcia project always have > a > > driver that go in Full Duplex, but sadly it's a old and not very clean > > driver... > > > > >- Over 99% of all DNS servers worldwide in use run BIND on UNIX > > > systems? > > > > Yep, Unix/Linux networking thing is pretty good, and Linux is FREE!!! LOL > > LOL LOL > > > > >- Sendmail mail servers running on UNIX systems are still used to send > > > the largest share of all mail send over the internet? > > > > Yep, sendmail is the standard becouse it is very bad (I hate that program, > > and I know it very well) but it run under Linux and it is free... :-)))) > > Sendmail is comparable to people using Pine to handle e-mail... Nothing is > > old and boring like Pine... > > > > >- The Gartner group advises companies to stop using MS Internet > > > Information Server and move to a better web server platform instead? > > > > Sorry, Never heard of them... > > > > >> We can say NT/2000/XP have lots of Unix related code: > > >> yep it's true, but it's more user friendly, more solid, more well > > supported, > > > >more pleasure to use it. > > > > >User friendly? Not for me. > > > > Yes becouse you are a computer geek and what is friendly for normal people > > is not for computer geeks... But professional OS are not for computer > geeks. > > > > > I hate those badly designed point and click > > > > You hate them? I LOVE IT!!!!! I want gui!!! I like windows and colourful > > things!!! i play guitar, I record music on my various systems, I do DTP > and > > I love all that great gui's!!! :-))))) It's 2001 and not 1980!!! > > > > Computer geeks that think and act like they are/was in the past, were the > > problem also for Windows: Microsoft had lots of boring Unix programmers > > writing code to wank on it ... LOL LOL LOL... > > > > But now nice, powerful code for normal people is there, and 2000/XP are > very > > very very good and built with solidness and stability and feel to satisfy > > everyone. They are professional OS! > > > > >Well supported? Not really. OK, you can ask MS for support, but this is > > >only a "best effort" support for which you have to pay quite a lot of > > >money. > > > > Good things cost money. And well, Windows 2000/XP need very less support. > It > > usually work well first time! No problem at all. > > > > > Compare this with the amount of support you can get from the > > >various Linux related mailing lists in which you usually get an answer > > >to your question in less than a day. > > > > Yep, like myself in this list. I know, subscribers of this list not like > > what I say, but no one say to me about the Maestro sound card problem > > against the Linux IrDA stuff on modern Dell laptop. He he he, they not > tell > > it to me becouse also Brattli,, the main developer of the IrDA stuff under > > Linux, never know about it... :-(((((( > > > > But as I stated in another mail, it's okie... No one pay Brattli to reply > to > > me or to learn things himself... It's Linux, it's free, it's fun!! :-))) > > > > >Pleasure to use? Not for me. > > > > But for me it is... Sooooo good when I use my Terratec RIAA equalizer to > > transfer with few clicks my huge LP collection (I have 25,000 items!!!) > on > > CD! So good when I use Pro Tools to record my stuff with my heavy metal > > guitars and my punky sythetizers!... > > > > >You are severely misguided. It's a well known fact that price is > > >certainly *not* the same as quality. > > > > In this, and in many cases, yes it is without any doubt. > > > > >> Come on, be honest, how many times every person that really use a pc > for > > >> serious job think like that? > > > > >More often than you think, obviously. > > > > Yep, becouse I still use Linux for some things, like to route my Lan, to > > make my personal newserver, to surf the net and handle my personal web > > server (but WITHOUT JAVA becouse Java pages under Linux looks shtting... > > :-((( > > > > About the Cd-ROM thing: I know very well how to SUID apps and make groups > > and stuff. But, well, I not like to use command lines to master my CD's, I > > like to be compared with that category of users you call dumb point and > > click users! I LOVE POINT AND CLICK colourful windows! > > > > So, I want be able to use my fav gui apps under KDE and Gnome: really > > impossibile, becouse Kde libs are not designed to work in SUID mode, try > it > > for yourself... Honestly, im tired to become a SU and write command line > > things to master my CD's! So I buy and use cool Roxio software under > Windows > > XP. > > > > >You should read more about the UNIX philosophy. The reason you can't do > > >that immediately in Linux is because you don't want all users to be > > >able to screw up your system. > > > > Yeppa yeppa, I know all this things, but usually one single person use his > > system so it's pretty uunusefull for normal home users, but this is > another > > story. As I stated before, Linux is okie like this, everyone do what he > want > > with it, if it work it work, if it not work, it's FREE!!! we can fuck > Linux > > like it is our personal slut and complain about it... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL > > LOL LOL :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > > (I love my sluts...) > > > > >I'm glad you like to learn things, but I think you should learn a lot > > >more before you start giving unbalanced and uninformed critic on > > >people. > > > > Sorry, but I have to repeat that probably I'm able to use Linux exactly > like > > yourself, and I can also use the Linux gui's at his best (hemmmm, for what > > his best is...) and probably you are not... LOL LOL LOL > > > > Ehmmm, little sentence just to be ON TOPIC: unloading the Maestro drivers, > > also my IrDA stack is finally working!!! But I prefer audio than IrDA: > when > > u use a FREE OS u have to choose what you wanna use, becouse no one can > > guarantee everything is work together!!! And it's pretty okie, it's FREE, > I > > not pay for it! > > > > Now I have to go out for the saturday night fever, but tomorrow I have > > another step to make in my Linux life: the new STUPID device organization > on > > new kernels. An automount function really really really painful... No more > > /dev/scd1, no more /dev/fd0 :-((((((((((((((((( but a new organization of > > the devices to learn, just to be able to mount my Modular Bay floppy that > > worked very well in the past with the /dev/hdc device!!! > > Cooooooooollllllllll > > It help to wake up my mind in my spare time... > > > > > > Regards > > > > Massimo > > > > > > PS: hehehehehe, you tryed to fool me, but I also send this on the group... > > Usually it is sooooo sleeping, it need some blood on it. Waiting for the > > Andrew "pump up the blood over the IrDA Linux Stack", I try to make it a > bit > > more shake myself... LOL > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda > > > > -- > Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil > http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ > > -- Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ _______________________________________________ Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda
