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The truth is always �ainful especially for people that transform an OS in a reason to live like many computer geeks... Regards Massimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Jung Drebes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Massimo Scabbia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: domenica 21 ottobre 2001 0:44 Subject: Re: [Linux-IrDA]just a thought You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. On Sat, 20 Oct 2001, Massimo Scabbia wrote: > Hi Erik! > > > >> Well, UNIX was a good command line OS, but now is time is over. We all > need > >> gui to simplify our work, and it's not really important if it's > >> administrative work or office work, or better multimedia work. > > >A GUI to simplify my work? I'm currently writing a boot loader for > >StrongARM embedded boards. > > Yep, not really a creative work, something very boring... But I know: > someone have to do it... :-))) > I agree with you that a boring and stable Unix terminal is enough for your > job. > > But often people do more creative things with computers, happily it's not > 1980 anymore and happily we are not all Unix programmers! :-))) > > >No. He started Linux because: > > Well, never read that book but I'm quite sure the first reason was the one I > said. What u say it come after it. > > >> And it still pay for > >> it. Also Linus still not pay his bills with Linux... :-))) > > >Oh yes he does. He's currently payed by Transmeta to work on Linux > >(among other things). > > Well, not: it is primary payed to work on that loosy project called > Transmeta processors, that are really weak hardware (I had one of those Sony > Vaio with them on board, so I know what I say). > He still do Linux like a game, and if u read the Linux kernel list u can > also read lots of complain about it... > > >Linux complicated? Linux is quite easy to understand because it behaves > >exactly the same as any other UNIX system. > > Well, you seems not understand that it is not 1980 anymore and that Unix is > interesting for very few people in this days, also for system administrators > and big company. Linux can be his modern version, but it just can, becouse > it is not a professional OS, but it is what it is, a free toy for > programmers and power users. And it's ok with me, for real! > > > It takes some time to > >understand, especially if you're coming from Windows or MacOS, but > >that's more because of the difference in underlying concepts. > > LOL LOL LOL, my problem is not understanding it, I'm sure I use it as good > as you do (I mean as a user, I'm not a programmer :-))). The problem is: it > is not powerful enough and simple enough to do nice and professional things > like image editing, DTP and many more client stuff. Gimp is not Adobe > Photoshop, but it's good enough and is FREE!!! So we can give it a try, but > when we do magazines (like I do professionaly), we need the professionality > of Photoshop. We need the professionality of a Windows or MAC OS! :-) > I mean, when we talk about free time and free stuff, Linux is OK like it > is!!! It's FREE, we can love that! > > >Linux buggy? > > Well, yes, Linux and his apps! Try KDE 2, Gnome 1.4, the PAN newsreader and > many many client apps that normal people use on a computer. Java is just > terrible looking under Linux gui and no Windows Media fomat, no Acrive X > :-(((((!!! > > I not talk about some nerd programmer (maybe like yourself, no offence > intended), I talk about people that use with satisfaction Windows or MAC. > This is my point of view, I'm not interested in Unix console, but me and > many more like me are looking for an alternative to Windows. And Linux it is > not. But it's FREE and I choose to learn it and use it (sometimes) way back > in... 1 9 9 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it well now, but I not have big pieces > of meat on my eyes like many of you guys... :-) > > All this thread started becouse someone say that IrDA under Linux is better > than IrDA under Windows and that's not true, this is something that probably > make laugh also the people that develop IrDA stack under Linux. > > But for me, it's ok, I like to use Linux sometimes becouse is free, I know > it's not professional like Windows, but I NOT PAY FOR IT, it's MY CHOICE use > it, so everything is okie dokie... :-)))) > > > I've used a PC running linux-2.0.36 with 463 days of > >uptime. The machine was a log server for a complete UNIX network, > >processed about 10K of log lines per minute. At the same time it was > >also a public terminal for my group. Pity we moved to a different floor > >so I had so switch the machine off. Please point me to an NT machine > >with similar usage that has the same uptime. > > Yep, probably you are right. But this is something that not interested > someone like me that like to point his phone against is Wonderful top class > DELL Inspiron 8100 and make it work as fast as he can. And Windows do the > job pretty okie! Do I have to explain that I had to use Linux IrDA stack in > the past becouse I not to had the Windows license for my laptop (yes I buy > it with Red Hat on it becouse it was FREE)? Now I have Win 2000 license on > this great new machine, so I can also not use Linux becouse I payed for the > best client OS in this world: Win 2000. > > >Linux full of problems? > > Yep, IRQ sharing, resource sharing, big IDE devices, weak file systems > support and many many many many many many more.... But it's free, and it's > okie! We used at our own risk. > > >Nobody interested in solving problems? If you move to the linux-kernel > >mailing list, you'll find about 200 people (including Linus Torvalds) > >interested in solving problems, and indeed *solving* problems. > > Yep, solving a problem and broken another part of the OS... It's always like > that with Linux: broken something to fix something other... And they also > not get along very well between them in this days, read the Alan Cox diary > to learn more... :-((( > > >Quite a lot of people get payed to work on Linux or other open source > >software. > > I know, there are serious company like Red Hat or SuSE... > > >OK, so let's assume it's a real and professional OS. Let's just assume > >it for a moment, right? Now could you explain to me why: > >- Over 65% of all web servers use the freely available Apache web > > server running on UNIX systems (and 40% of those systems run Linux)? > > Becouse Apache is pretty good and it's FREE. I use Apache too for my little > web server! Tcp/IP under Linux is the only working thing of Linux OS.. :-))) > And it really work well! Obviously when u choose network hardware supported > with good drivers, another big Linux problem... Example: this XIRCOM cardbus > card in this wonderful Dell: kernel drivers go or not in Full Duplex > dependant on the version of the kernel (:-(((), Pcmcia project always have a > driver that go in Full Duplex, but sadly it's a old and not very clean > driver... > > >- Over 99% of all DNS servers worldwide in use run BIND on UNIX > > systems? > > Yep, Unix/Linux networking thing is pretty good, and Linux is FREE!!! LOL > LOL LOL > > >- Sendmail mail servers running on UNIX systems are still used to send > > the largest share of all mail send over the internet? > > Yep, sendmail is the standard becouse it is very bad (I hate that program, > and I know it very well) but it run under Linux and it is free... :-)))) > Sendmail is comparable to people using Pine to handle e-mail... Nothing is > old and boring like Pine... > > >- The Gartner group advises companies to stop using MS Internet > > Information Server and move to a better web server platform instead? > > Sorry, Never heard of them... > > >> We can say NT/2000/XP have lots of Unix related code: > >> yep it's true, but it's more user friendly, more solid, more well > supported, > > >more pleasure to use it. > > >User friendly? Not for me. > > Yes becouse you are a computer geek and what is friendly for normal people > is not for computer geeks... But professional OS are not for computer geeks. > > > I hate those badly designed point and click > > You hate them? I LOVE IT!!!!! I want gui!!! I like windows and colourful > things!!! i play guitar, I record music on my various systems, I do DTP and > I love all that great gui's!!! :-))))) It's 2001 and not 1980!!! > > Computer geeks that think and act like they are/was in the past, were the > problem also for Windows: Microsoft had lots of boring Unix programmers > writing code to wank on it ... LOL LOL LOL... > > But now nice, powerful code for normal people is there, and 2000/XP are very > very very good and built with solidness and stability and feel to satisfy > everyone. They are professional OS! > > >Well supported? Not really. OK, you can ask MS for support, but this is > >only a "best effort" support for which you have to pay quite a lot of > >money. > > Good things cost money. And well, Windows 2000/XP need very less support. It > usually work well first time! No problem at all. > > > Compare this with the amount of support you can get from the > >various Linux related mailing lists in which you usually get an answer > >to your question in less than a day. > > Yep, like myself in this list. I know, subscribers of this list not like > what I say, but no one say to me about the Maestro sound card problem > against the Linux IrDA stuff on modern Dell laptop. He he he, they not tell > it to me becouse also Brattli,, the main developer of the IrDA stuff under > Linux, never know about it... :-(((((( > > But as I stated in another mail, it's okie... No one pay Brattli to reply to > me or to learn things himself... It's Linux, it's free, it's fun!! :-))) > > >Pleasure to use? Not for me. > > But for me it is... Sooooo good when I use my Terratec RIAA equalizer to > transfer with few clicks my huge LP collection (I have 25,000 items!!!) on > CD! So good when I use Pro Tools to record my stuff with my heavy metal > guitars and my punky sythetizers!... > > >You are severely misguided. It's a well known fact that price is > >certainly *not* the same as quality. > > In this, and in many cases, yes it is without any doubt. > > >> Come on, be honest, how many times every person that really use a pc for > >> serious job think like that? > > >More often than you think, obviously. > > Yep, becouse I still use Linux for some things, like to route my Lan, to > make my personal newserver, to surf the net and handle my personal web > server (but WITHOUT JAVA becouse Java pages under Linux looks shtting... > :-((( > > About the Cd-ROM thing: I know very well how to SUID apps and make groups > and stuff. But, well, I not like to use command lines to master my CD's, I > like to be compared with that category of users you call dumb point and > click users! I LOVE POINT AND CLICK colourful windows! > > So, I want be able to use my fav gui apps under KDE and Gnome: really > impossibile, becouse Kde libs are not designed to work in SUID mode, try it > for yourself... Honestly, im tired to become a SU and write command line > things to master my CD's! So I buy and use cool Roxio software under Windows > XP. > > >You should read more about the UNIX philosophy. The reason you can't do > >that immediately in Linux is because you don't want all users to be > >able to screw up your system. > > Yeppa yeppa, I know all this things, but usually one single person use his > system so it's pretty uunusefull for normal home users, but this is another > story. As I stated before, Linux is okie like this, everyone do what he want > with it, if it work it work, if it not work, it's FREE!!! we can fuck Linux > like it is our personal slut and complain about it... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL > LOL LOL :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) > (I love my sluts...) > > >I'm glad you like to learn things, but I think you should learn a lot > >more before you start giving unbalanced and uninformed critic on > >people. > > Sorry, but I have to repeat that probably I'm able to use Linux exactly like > yourself, and I can also use the Linux gui's at his best (hemmmm, for what > his best is...) and probably you are not... LOL LOL LOL > > Ehmmm, little sentence just to be ON TOPIC: unloading the Maestro drivers, > also my IrDA stack is finally working!!! But I prefer audio than IrDA: when > u use a FREE OS u have to choose what you wanna use, becouse no one can > guarantee everything is work together!!! And it's pretty okie, it's FREE, I > not pay for it! > > Now I have to go out for the saturday night fever, but tomorrow I have > another step to make in my Linux life: the new STUPID device organization on > new kernels. An automount function really really really painful... No more > /dev/scd1, no more /dev/fd0 :-((((((((((((((((( but a new organization of > the devices to learn, just to be able to mount my Modular Bay floppy that > worked very well in the past with the /dev/hdc device!!! > Cooooooooollllllllll > It help to wake up my mind in my spare time... > > > Regards > > Massimo > > > PS: hehehehehe, you tryed to fool me, but I also send this on the group... > Usually it is sooooo sleeping, it need some blood on it. Waiting for the > Andrew "pump up the blood over the IrDA Linux Stack", I try to make it a bit > more shake myself... LOL > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda > -- Roberto Jung Drebes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Porto Alegre, RS - Brasil http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~drebes/ _______________________________________________ Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda
